What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

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Invitation is still open, and the purpose is not to change your mind. But allow you to be more credible in your criticism. Everything that you post regarding DCA is based on hearsay. I'm sure the route you took works great and I understand that you are a proponent of it and always will.

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It would be one thing to question Don's credibility if his comments were directed towards the quality of training, or facilities, or aircraft, or anything else that really requires on-site verification. But since his critique has only been against the marketing and advertising tactics of your employer, I fail to see how you can use a word like "hearsay" and keep a straight face. We can read advertisments and observe marketing strategies and have valid opinions on those topics without visiting your school, don't you think?

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I would agree with you IF the complaints were only directed towards the marketing, you can have an opinion about it and not like the order or way that the facts are presented. BUT there is way more negative comments about the program, and how much better it is to pursue a different route. All based on cost of training and comments from students that were not happy with their experience. And that is what I meant when I used the word "hearsay".

And the purpose of the visit would be to show him that DCA is a viable option, that higher standards of training, the very thing that gets students to their limits IS what make DCA worthwile.

But if a student or instructor give a positive tone to their post, then it is received with hostility and viewed as "propaganda". or "someone that drank too much of DCA's cool-aid" and nosense like that.
 
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With 150+ students per year, it is only normal not to have only 2 or 3 negative posts... and it is well known that people are more prone to report a bad experience than a good one.

If all the guys and girls that got hired for the last three years had the time and started posting positive notes here you wouldn't have as much fun though...
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Fabio, of my initial class of ten, only three chose to remain and only one of those three is happy being there. The class that started before me had very similar numbers. In my experience, only one out of ten had a good experience at DCA.

BTW, I still consider you one of the good parts of the program - without you and other instructors like you, DCA really would be worthless.

Regards,
Marc
 
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First off, no one in admissions has EVER GUARANTEED a job as a paid CFI. Also, no one has EVER said that you will be GUARANTEED and INTERVIEW with an airline without being a paid flight instructor first. It is written in all of the brochures that we have hired 85% of the students who apply to become a paid flight instructor. Just so everyone knows: The school is Accredited by Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT) which is a Private group hired by the Department of Education to monitor all of the statistics and they have to be backed up by the school. It is true, not everyone makes it through the academy for various reasons, but the 116 out of 121 we placed last year is a FACT.
What is the wash out rate and hire rate of other schools?? I bet it still is not as good as DCA! I don't really see people talk about that on other threads. I am willing to bet that there is not a school out there that says 100% of there students make it to the airlines. Even if they did they'd be lying!!! Since most schools are not accredited and can say whatever they want!! I can tell you that only about 49% of people who start college finish with the same school and get their degree. That is a national stat from the ACCSCT.
 
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An apologist is someone who declares truth. I view that as a great complement!
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Where are you doing your training MTpilot? Are you at the airline yet?? Just wondering? Not being sarcastic. Just wondering what your experience level was and if you have ever toured DCA and talked tour our graduates face to face.
 
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Alright, I read about the first 1/4 of this thread and scaned the rest so I might be posting things already said.

Listed on the DCA website is the people who made it to the airlines...
Not listed on the DCA website is the total # of enrolled students over the same period of time

Missing part of the equation to figure out the orignial qu... but in April 2001 my orientation class had 31, I was the last to leave out of all of them... I did not instruct there (THANK GOD) and so out of that class there was 0% of the enrollment to get hired even as instructors let alone at one of the airlines.

IMO... DCA teaches too much specifics toward an airline. I know too many people, myself included, who after training there, knew exactly what the boxed memory items were for a c-172 but couldn't figure out how to ask for VFR flight following, or have any real world practical flight experience.

It is a shame to not know a thing about being in command of an aircraft, and have a CFI.

It is a shame to have flown only Cessna 152, 172, 172rg, arrow, seminol, and CRJ
Tell me that is a better qualified person then someone who has experience in over 40 ac from Cessna taildraggers to Barons, to King Airs, to Beech Jets, to etc.
Doesn't make sense to hire someone out of the academy to me???

Its a shame that people who go through these programs have never flown a prop aircraft outside the state of Florida.

Its a shame that they teach students not the responsibilites of their private pilot license they are working on, and instead, "don't worry about it, you will never use it at the airline."
Instructors...DO NOT FORGET that your students will become private pilots and will be allowed to fly an aircraft from coast to coast (not from Titusville to Tampa, but from Miami to Seattle) YOU ARE REQUIRED TO TEACH THESE PEOPLE THE THINGS THEY NEED TO KNOW TO DO SUCH THINGS... It may not be in the DCA books, but guess what
THE FAA OVERRIDES THE DCA BOOKS

ITS A SHAME THAT PEOPLE EVEN AFTER READING THESE POSTS WILL STILL PAY ABSURD AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR TRAINING THAT WILL NOT TEACH YOU HOW TO FLY, BUT HOW TO BE A MACHINE THAT CANNOT THINK ON THEIR OWN....I CAN TEACH A MONKEY TO FLY AN AIRPLANE.... I CANNOT TEACH A MONKEY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN COMMAND OF ANY AIRCRAFT OF ANY SIZE... THAT REQUIRES PRACTICAL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE, OF WHICH DCA CANNOT OFFER

Still want to go to DCA.... Good luck with that
 
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I cannot believe that you think real-world PIC experience hauling freight or charter pax in a turbine twin is any substitute for DCA's CRJ jet bridge trainer. I mean flying a new regional jet is so cool and good for my ego that I don't mind only making $20k a year- at least people THINK I make a lot of money- plus the chicks dig the uniform, especially the teenagers at the mall... Idiots......... (dripping with sarcasm)
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I cannot believe that you think real-world PIC experience hauling freight or charter pax in a turbine twin is any substitute for DCA's CRJ jet bridge trainer. I mean flying a new regional jet is so cool and good for my ego that I don't mind only making $20k a year- at least people THINK I make a lot of money- plus the chicks dig the uniform, especially the teenagers at the mall... Idiots......... (dripping with sarcasm)
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...

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Lets just hope Cathay doesnt see that big ol Chapter 7 sittin on the guys credit report (the price for "gettin ahead").
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...
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Please tell me you're kidding? I hope you are because otherwise you're a complete bonehead.
 
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"And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform"

So now it's about money and looking cool in a uniform? What was I thinking....I thought it was always about training good pilots. Planediveguy, you really seem to be in a hurry. I know you're an older guy and see things differently because of that. But the experience and knowledge gained by flying 135 freight is as good as it gets. Someday, if you're lucky, you're gonna get to look back at all of this and realise how off base you are.
 
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...
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But in the end, all of you are nothing but overglorified bus drivers.

Watch as the women flock to the combat pilots.
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Aww, come on "D"! You know when you were a single chap you enjoyed the air shows!
 
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...
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Young Jedi, so much to learn.

I can hear laser printers spooling up worldwide just to print this gem!

A little union-biased reading for you if you think Cathay Pacific is the "promised land".
 
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But the experience and knowledge gained by flying 135 freight is as good as it gets. Someday, if you're lucky, you're gonna get to look back at all of this and realise how off base you are.

---- SO is flying a an ERJ for Chuatuaqua right out of the academy!!!!!!!
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What I hear is DCA grads have over 1000 total and are seasoned CFI's before they go to the regionals. That's fine, too.

I think you miss out on a chance to get a lot of great experience in the 135 freight business that will test and stretch your limits as a pilot in a way you'll never see by going straight to a regional. You go straight to a regional and your first command experience after a 152 will be as an RJ Capt. A lot of guys do it that way and I'm not knocking it, I just don't think you can find a better stick than the guy who comes from a 135 freight background.
 
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Hey Don,

I was giving him a flamethrower as an answer to that sorry sarcastic post... It is fun to read all the responses though!
 
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Im still trying to figure out how he got on at Cathay Pacific so quick. Is DCA planning on implementing a 747 bridge trainer anytime soon? You guys could offer a type rating and guarantee students an interview with Air France/KLM or Korean Air. Change the name from Delta Connection Academy to Skyteam Academy. After all, you guys are owned by Delta and have the connections and the airlines want your graduates!!!!
 
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I think you miss out on a chance to get a lot of great experience in the 135 freight business that will test and stretch your limits as a pilot in a way you'll never see by going straight to a regional. You go straight to a regional and your first command experience after a 152 will be as an RJ Capt. A lot of guys do it that way and I'm not knocking it, I just don't think you can find a better stick than the guy who comes from a 135 freight background.

That's great and all! However as an airline pilot yourself, you know how important that seniority number is!! That is going to dictate your whole quality of life. And if an Academy grad (or anyone else for that matter) can bypass that stage of flying (meaning: fly for Flight Distress or Red Baron Distress, I mean Express) That to any airline pilot makes the most sense. I used to work with those companies and saw those pilots shaking in their boots when they came back from flying through a level 4 T-storm at ORL. Not to mention all the gear up landings they have and landings on Interstates!!!
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