What is the Enrollment vs actually Hired ratio?

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That's great and all! However as an airline pilot yourself, you know how important that seniority number is!! That is going to dictate your whole quality of life. And if an Academy grad (or anyone else for that matter) can bypass that stage of flying (meaning: fly for Flight Distress or Red Baron Distress, I mean Express) That to any airline pilot makes the most sense. I used to work with those companies and saw those pilots shaking in their boots when they came back from flying through a level 4 T-storm at ORL. Not to mention all the gear up landings they have and landings on Interstates!!!
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But the fact remains, you're STILL at a regional. How great could the QOL be when making $19K-$26K per year, regardless of seniority number? That's akin to two bums arguing which dingy street corner is the best to live on.........
 
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HEY! That's my half-eaten, part-molded Quiznos traditional!
 
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But the fact remains, you're STILL at a regional. How great could the QOL be when making $19K-$26K per year, regardless of seniority number? That's akin to two bums arguing which dingy street corner is the best to live on.........

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That's only first year pay, genius!!!
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After that (as everyone knows) It only goes up from there!!!!

First Officer Pay at Comair:
1st year $1800 per month
2nd year $2,860 per month and $3157 for CRJ 70
3rd year $3133 per month adn $3459 for CRJ 70

Captain upgrad is about 3 years.
1st year pay as Capt is $4639 per month and $5103 for a CRJ 70.

YADA YADA YADA!!!!!!

Top Salary on a CRJ 70 is $8697 per month!!!

Just for your info...........
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But the fact remains, you're STILL at a regional. How great could the QOL be when making $19K-$26K per year, regardless of seniority number? That's akin to two bums arguing which dingy street corner is the best to live on.........

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That's only first year pay, genius!!!
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After that (as everyone knows) It only goes up from there!!!!

First Officer Pay at Comair:
1st year $1800 per month
2nd year $2,860 per month and $3157 for CRJ 70
3rd year $3133 per month adn $3459 for CRJ 70

Captain upgrad is about 3 years.
1st year pay as Capt is $4639 per month and $5103 for a CRJ 70.

YADA YADA YADA!!!!!!

Top Salary on a CRJ 70 is $8697 per month!!!

Just for your info...........
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Genius?

I'm not the idiot willingly working for crap wages. No kidding, the pay goes up? I never would've thought...wow...tell me something I don't know! You, of course, missed the point that was rapping you in the back of the head. If you think the pay at a regional, even at year 5 is alot, or even commensurate with your professional qualification, then you're more of an moron that I thought. So @$33K per year is supposed to be good? Wow. Shows me what you think your worth is, I guess.

But then again, when a regional is the only place you guys can remotely go..........guess there's not much choice than to work for peon wages.

But hey, you get to wear a cool white shirt with stripes! And would likely do so for free, if offered. And tha sad thing is, the regional CEOs know this fact all too well.
 
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But then again, when a regional is the only place you guys can remotely go..........guess there's not much choice than to work for peon wages.

But hey, you get to wear a cool white shirt with stripes! And would likely do so for free, if offered. And tha sad thing is, the regional CEOs know this fact all too well.

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You "people" are so funny. A couple of threads ago you were talking about what great experience flying Part 135 freiight/charters, or whatever, is your ticket to building a successful career to the airlines (majors). So what you're telling me, is that a graduate of the academy who can parlay his interview into a job with a Tier I Part 121 scheduled regional airline that flys jets is a bad idea? If that graduate has the degree and is building PIC time in a jet as a Captain while making $50K - $60K per year... Is this a waste of my time??? Will NO major airline hire me???
Tell me, I'd like to know!
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But then again, when a regional is the only place you guys can remotely go..........guess there's not much choice than to work for peon wages.

But hey, you get to wear a cool white shirt with stripes! And would likely do so for free, if offered. And tha sad thing is, the regional CEOs know this fact all too well.

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You "people" are so funny. A couple of threads ago you were talking about what great experience flying Part 135 freiight/charters, or whatever, is your ticket to building a successful career to the airlines (majors). So what you're telling me, is that a graduate of the academy who can parlay his interview into a job with a Tier I Part 121 scheduled regional airline that flys jets is a bad idea? If that graduate has the degree and is building PIC time in a jet as a Captain while making $50K - $60K per year... Is this a waste of my time??? Will NO major airline hire me???
Tell me, I'd like to know!
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I never said no major will hire you. In fact, I wasn't saying anything about getting hired or not at a regional, nor really on DCA as a program. I was simply bashing on regional pilot pay and some pilots that willing think that the pay there is somehow the cats meow....I guess compared to CFI pay, it might be. That was my only point, since it fit into the discussion. Curious, though, at what point are you making 50K to 60K at a regional as a Capt? Year 12 or something? That's pathetic, pay-wise. And that's a sad testament to the (digress here) regional CEO that pay that much. But ultimately, the reason the CEOs can pay cheap wages, is because of the starry-eyed pilots waiting in line to work for those wages.

Maybe of all regional pilots just stopped working for a few weeks.......that might send the message.
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But then again, when a regional is the only place you guys can remotely go..........guess there's not much choice than to work for peon wages.

......................Thanks for cooling your jets........
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But then again, when a regional is the only place you guys can remotely go..........guess there's not much choice than to work for peon wages.

......................Thanks for cooling your jets........
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I simply was saying that was where you guys can go, nothing about being able to get hired on or not.
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All right guys, this is serious. Obviously it is time for some remedial lessons in the *Quote* function.



Dweebs.




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"You "people" are so funny. A couple of threads ago you were talking about what great experience flying Part 135 freiight/charters, or whatever, is your ticket to building a successful career to the airlines (majors)."

I believe what I said was that the 135 freight experience makes you into a better pilot than you would be coming straight from an academy background to a regional.

The ticket to a successful career at the majors doesn't exist, and certainly isn't dependent on how good of a pilot you are. There are too many different routes to say that one way is "the ticket to success". Whether you are regional, military, corporate, whatever...luck plays the biggest role and networking is the second biggest.
 
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"That was my only point, since it fit into the discussion. Curious, though, at what point are you making 50K to 60K at a regional as a Capt? Year 12 or something? That's pathetic, pay-wise"


Captain upgrade is about 3 years.
1st year pay as Capt is $4639 per month and $5103 for a CRJ 70 for Comair.

(which, by the way, 5 out of 5 grads were hired on May 5th!!)

......If you do the math, at $4639 per month, times 12 months in a calander year, that equals $55,668 plus per diem and trip/duty rigs. That should bring you close to $60K!!! :
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Are you talkin' to me? I'm not sure what your point is?
 
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Are you talkin' to me? I'm not sure what your point is?

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He has no point. He like many others are justifying crappy pay.
 
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YADA YADA YADA!!!!!!

Top Salary on a CRJ 70 is $8697 per month!!!

Just for your info...........
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After....

Drumroll please...

18 years, woo!

So if you're 30, you'll be 48 then. Additionally, just what type of buying power will that be in the year 2023?

Heck, my brother makes $65G's just spraying for bugs out in Tulare County and he just started.
 
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"That was my only point, since it fit into the discussion. Curious, though, at what point are you making 50K to 60K at a regional as a Capt? Year 12 or something? That's pathetic, pay-wise"


Captain upgrade is about 3 years.
1st year pay as Capt is $4639 per month and $5103 for a CRJ 70 for Comair.

(which, by the way, 5 out of 5 grads were hired on May 5th!!)

......If you do the math, at $4639 per month, times 12 months in a calander year, that equals $55,668 plus per diem and trip/duty rigs. That should bring you close to $60K!!! :
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Hell man I made that much at my old job that required nothing more than a business degree and for me to run off at the mouth alot.

Point is, that you spend a massive amount of money on specialized training, for a job in a volitile (sp?) industry, with the lives of 50 people in your hands at any given time (a doctor only has on person's life in his hands at any given time). Add onto that, you might get some medical condition that will cause you to lose your job forever...pretty stressfull. All that to get paid as much as some punk kid fresh out of college. The long and short of it is: The pay does not fit the responsibility and skill level you have as an ATP rated pilot. It is a big upgrade compaired to my pay but that's another story.

I've said it before, I think those guys that haul freight in small crappy planes in all kinds of weather at all hours of the night are probably the most experienced low time civil aviation pilots out there. Flight instruction is harrowing in its own right but to me the two don't compare.
 
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......If you do the math, at $4639 per month, times 12 months in a calander year, that equals $55,668 plus per diem and trip/duty rigs. That should bring you close to $60K!!! :
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[/ QUOTE ]you consider that good after 4 years (or is it 5) of being at a regional?

don't forget that if our lucky, only a good $25K/yr will be taken out for taxes and don't forget those union dues - what are they now, $300/month? and whatever student loans/key bank loans you have to pay back.. it all adds up, so looking at income only isn't looking at the BIG picture.

technically speaking, you might be looking at $30K after all expenses/commuting costs etc have been paid

just some more food for thought...
 
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And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...
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Are you retarded?
 
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I cannot believe that you think real-world PIC experience hauling freight or charter pax in a turbine twin is any substitute for DCA's CRJ jet bridge trainer. I mean flying a new regional jet is so cool and good for my ego that I don't mind only making $20k a year- at least people THINK I make a lot of money- plus the chicks dig the uniform, especially the teenagers at the mall... Idiots......... (dripping with sarcasm)



And while you are flying boxes in your puddle jumper, the guy with the cool uniform upgraded to captain in the CRJ and by the time you get to buy your suit for the interview he is flying for Cathay Pacific, making more money than YOU and still looking cool in the uniform and guess what ? He is taking YOUR girlfriend to a real date...


So you remember the whole post... and understand that you should view things in context.

As far as being retarded.... well I am answering to you, right?
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Maybe of all regional pilots just stopped working for a few weeks.......that might send the message.



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Yeah...maybe we should..that'll bring the wages up..of course, it won't affect your pay any......but, you couldn't be bothered with regional pilot pay anyway, because apparently when you (MikeD) were born a pilot the pay was alot better, we just ruined it for you so you chose another route
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......If you do the math, at $4639 per month, times 12 months in a calander year, that equals $55,668 plus per diem and trip/duty rigs. That should bring you close to $60K!!! :
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[/ QUOTE ]you consider that good after 4 years (or is it 5) of being at a regional?

don't forget that if our lucky, only a good $25K/yr will be taken out for taxes and don't forget those union dues - what are they now, $300/month? and whatever student loans/key bank loans you have to pay back.. it all adds up, so looking at income only isn't looking at the BIG picture.

technically speaking, you might be looking at $30K after all expenses/commuting costs etc have been paid

just some more food for thought...

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That's like buying a new house on the approach path to ORD and then complaining about the "noisy jets".....98.9% of people know what they are getting into when they choose this career.....not trying for flamebait.....just being realistic!
 
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