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They did a few months ago, but it may have changed...jynxyjoe said:I don't believe the FAA issues SIC types anymore.
They did a few months ago, but it may have changed...jynxyjoe said:I don't believe the FAA issues SIC types anymore.
I'm not into regulation much anymore but my company had a chance to offer a SIC type on my jet transport via the old rules and the FSDO let them know that wasn't happening anymore. National fed echoed the same when he did my new type.They did a few months ago, but it may have changed...
FSDOs do what they want to.I'm not into regulation much anymore but my company had a chance to offer a SIC type on my jet transport via the old rules and the FSDO let them know that wasn't happening anymore. National fed echoed the same when he did my new type.
However, that was a western region US, maybe other areas do other things?
I don't believe the FAA issues SIC types anymore.
Ah, got ya.That's for 121. Whole different deal with part 91 and 135.
Well the first hour and a half of the interview went well, the last half hour not so much. When the conversation turned to the contract/bennies/money we basically just didn't see eye to eye. The CP was not against me going to get my PIC instead of my SIC type but he said he would have to see how I did and if he felt comfortable sending me. But he would not tell me what exactly that means or when that may be. I wanted to go to training and was willing to sign a 1 year contract immediately upon completion of my "probationary period" but then he told me he would want me to wait at least 6 months to a year before doing that. So I said, "so basically I could be on probation for up to a year"? To which he said I didn't understand what he was saying and explained it again. So I said, "no, I understand what your saying, but if your going to wait up to a year to send me to training and sign a contract, then I'm basically on probation for that whole time because I could be let go at any time for any reason and I wouldn't have anything to show for it". At this point I was becoming very skeptical of this whole thing but we moved on... Next we talked about pay/contract. I told him I would feel comfortable with signing a 1 year pro-rated contract for 35K on completion of my PIC type. He told me they were absolutely not willing to budge on the 2 year pro-rated contract but that second year pay would go up to 45K. I told him to sign a 2 year contract that I would need a good bit more money than that. He didn't like that answer at all and proceeded to compare their pay with first year regional pay etc... So I asked, "well what kind of health insurance and retirement are you offering"? The answer: NONE. So I basically told him that for a job that he was trying to tell me was a career job, it seemed strange for it not to come with industry standard health and retirement benefits. He said no one had ever said that before. It basically ended right around there and he did say that he had to talk to the owner and that he would call me tonight or tomorrow and let me know. But I'm not holding my breath. Right before I left he did say that there was a day trip down to PBI and back on Monday and asked me how much I wanted to fly right seat. I told him $300 and he scoffed. I think you get the picture from here. Substandard contract, no hard time off (yes that's right, he told me they are paying me to be on call basically 24/7. In fact, when I specifically asked about hard days off, he said, "you must think this is an airline interview or something"), and he said I wasn't allowed to drink at all on layovers (seriously). Not that I'm even a big drinker but if I'm not flying the next day I might like to have a beer with my dinner. WELCOME TO FLORIDA! We are a swamp surrounded by water that doubles as an aviation career graveyard. The search for a good job continues!
Well the first hour and a half of the interview went well, the last half hour not so much. When the conversation turned to the contract/bennies/money we basically just didn't see eye to eye. The CP was not against me going to get my PIC instead of my SIC type but he said he would have to see how I did and if he felt comfortable sending me. But he would not tell me what exactly that means or when that may be. I wanted to go to training and was willing to sign a 1 year contract immediately upon completion of my "probationary period" but then he told me he would want me to wait at least 6 months to a year before doing that. So I said, "so basically I could be on probation for up to a year"? To which he said I didn't understand what he was saying and explained it again. So I said, "no, I understand what your saying, but if your going to wait up to a year to send me to training and sign a contract, then I'm basically on probation for that whole time because I could be let go at any time for any reason and I wouldn't have anything to show for it". At this point I was becoming very skeptical of this whole thing but we moved on... Next we talked about pay/contract. I told him I would feel comfortable with signing a 1 year pro-rated contract for 35K on completion of my PIC type. He told me they were absolutely not willing to budge on the 2 year pro-rated contract but that second year pay would go up to 45K. I told him to sign a 2 year contract that I would need a good bit more money than that. He didn't like that answer at all and proceeded to compare their pay with first year regional pay etc... So I asked, "well what kind of health insurance and retirement are you offering"? The answer: NONE. So I basically told him that for a job that he was trying to tell me was a career job, it seemed strange for it not to come with industry standard health and retirement benefits. He said no one had ever said that before. It basically ended right around there and he did say that he had to talk to the owner and that he would call me tonight or tomorrow and let me know. But I'm not holding my breath. Right before I left he did say that there was a day trip down to PBI and back on Monday and asked me how much I wanted to fly right seat. I told him $300 and he scoffed. I think you get the picture from here. Substandard contract, no hard time off (yes that's right, he told me they are paying me to be on call basically 24/7. In fact, when I specifically asked about hard days off, he said, "you must think this is an airline interview or something"), and he said I wasn't allowed to drink at all on layovers (seriously). Not that I'm even a big drinker but if I'm not flying the next day I might like to have a beer with my dinner. WELCOME TO FLORIDA! We are a swamp surrounded by water that doubles as an aviation career graveyard. The search for a good job continues!
Wow, I can't stand owners that think like this, but I guess that comes with the territory. What's worse is a CP that thinks along these lines, he needs a swift kick to the nuts.
Anyway, I would run not walk away.
If they're trying to lock you in for two years there is defiantly something wrong...
It isn't under certain circumstances. But: 2 year contract + low pay + no bennies + zero quality of life multiplied by dillisional CP trying to prey on those with SJS = your gonna have a bad time.I wouldn't say that a 2 year contract is a big red flag. I signed a 2 year contract at my current employer. Great pay, great bennies, several PIC types, and lots of time off.
CJ3What type of aircraft? Not that it matters, just curious.
I wouldn't say that a 2 year contract is a big red flag. I signed a 2 year contract at my current employer. Great pay, great bennies, several PIC types, and lots of time off.