The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

It appears that a bunch of lifers are about to bring a world of hurt onto themselves.

There are better ways of affecting change.

Before anyone gets involved, please reflect about “RJDC”, “Pilot Strike” (or whatever that national ”strike” some website called for a few years ago) and good JC Lawson.
 
The funniest thing about this is if a mainline guy misses a commute to work because of a dip• skywest pilot the company wont care and will most likely get them a positive space ticket. Now lets say a skywest pilots gets denied by a mainline guy, I suspect things will be more difficult for them because 1.) they work at a sh ! t bag regional and they have no representation.

Hassssssshtaaaaaaaag, DADJOKES.

Sorry, couldn’t resist. :)
 
Can someone quote the relevant FOM part if it’s actually a “shall” and not “should”? I’m having a hard time believing someone would face certificate action for not enforcing a jumpseat priority order.
 
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Not really, just follow the rules, at this point pretty much everyone other than those on the seniority list are first come first served. Any comparison to Comair is about, well, it isnt.

One thing that could cause a career issue however is allowing a hostile environment in the cockpit, or being intimidated into allowing it by some pilot who feels it is appropriate to do so. Imagine if you end up in an investigation and this silly jumpseat nonsense comes up, and as the captain you allowed the distraction? That resume item will dock your career showboat faster than any supposed blacklist.

As far as I am concerned, first come first served. It is that easy. Anyone who feels it is appropriate to try to intimidate a captain by threatening their career either blatantly or tacit implication by "getting their name" over a free ride should be left in the terminal. Period.

I've been around this industry a long time, I still have my "FERRIS" shirt with a line through the name somewhere. Dont let it get you worked up, you'll enjoy it more.

Stay safe, help each other make this job less of a grinder on our home life it already is, and let's fly jets, make money and drink beer.

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As far as I am concerned, first come first served. It is that easy. Anyone who feels it is appropriate to try to intimidate a captain by threatening their career either blatantly or tacit implication by "getting their name" over a free ride should be left in the terminal. Period.

Stay safe, help each other make this job less of a grinder on our home life it already is, and let's fly jets, make money and drink beer.

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One of these paragraphs is not like the other.
 
Can someone quote the relevant FOM part if it’s actually a “shall” and not “should”? I’m having a hard time believing someone would face certificate action for not enforcing a jumpseat priority order.
They cant. To make the argument the Feds would take certificate action on a pilot over a jumpseat priority agreement is ridiculous. The telling part is not even IBT or SAPA or Mesa's MEC has published a succinct example of the regulations and how they would apply in the event the feds got involved.

Seems the way to protect yourself in this is to be safe, respectful, professional and fair.

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One of these paragraphs is not like the other.
So you think its appropriate to threaten or attempt to intimidate a pilot by suggesting his career progression is in jeopardy by not giving preference to an OAL pilot over another?

Seems consistent to me. Dont be a bully.

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So you think its appropriate to threaten or attempt to intimidate a pilot by suggesting his career progression is in jeopardy by not giving preference to an OAL pilot over another?

Seems consistent to me. Dont be a bully.

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None of that happened by the UALMEC. The only bullying here is SAPA and the IBT calling for jumpseat denials. Even with that the UALMEC called for cool heads and professionalism. Now the Skywest idiot decided to poor fuel on the fire he started below his feet.
 
Sooooo, why didn’t Skywest simply sign the agreement?

I know at my shop if I got denied a jumpseat because of some political swordplay at, for example, Compass, they’d probably just book me positive space to work on that same flight.
 
None of that happened by the UALMEC. The only bullying here is SAPA and the IBT calling for jumpseat denials. Even with that the UALMEC called for cool heads and professionalism. Now the Skywest idiot decided to poor fuel on the fire he started below his feet.
I didnt say it was necessarily, and as I said earlier I have yet to have a United pilot be anything but gracious, professional and worthy of respect.

I'm not playing games here, not SAPAs, ALPAs or the IBTs, or anyone else's. I think until this is ironed out working under a first come first served policy is fair and reasonable. If someone disagrees and wants to try to intimidate me, well, have at it.

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Fellow Pilots,

As you have likely heard by now, the United ALPA Master Executive Council has decided to adjust our jumpseat agreements with them and their exclusive partners (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, and Trans States) as well as GoJet. If you haven’t yet read the letter from From Aric to our pilots and SAPA’s letter to the United ALPA MEC, and to be given to United and United Express exclusive (UAX-E) pilots attempting to jumpseat, please do so. Below is a Q&A to shed some additional light on what is going on, where we are going from here and what is expected of you as a SkyWest pilot.
What is going on? How did we get here?

Good question! For years, the United MEC (those are the guys that negotiate jumpseat agreements on behalf of United mainline pilots) have been trying to unilaterally change their jumpseat agreements with their United Express partners to prioritize United mainline pilots over other United Express pilots on United Express flights. For example, under the current agreement, if a SkyWest pilot and a United mainline pilot show up to list for the jumpseat on a United Express flight operated by ExpressJet, the priority would be time of check-in. United wants their pilots to get priority over our pilots and other United Express pilots in the example above.

United’s attempts to do this over the years were unsuccessful, due to push back from all of the United Express carriers and their pilots. The recent announcement of “exclusive” United Express partners that fly only for United (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) changed the equation as those carriers have capitulated and acquiesced to United’s proposed changes in return for priority on United and United Express flights above non-exclusive United Express carriers including ourselves, Mesa and Republic.

This came to a head this month when, without warning, the United MEC announced changes to their United’s gate software handling jumpseat priority on United and United Express exclusive carriers, (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) effective October 15th. Additionally, they released new priority literature to their pilot group. The changes placed UAL and UAX-E pilots ahead of United Express non-exclusive pilots on UAL and UAX flights, in violation of our existing agreement. In an additional rub, UALPA made ANY priority to United Express non-exclusive (us) pilots on UAL and UAX-E flights over offline pilots contingent on our acquiescence to these changes. If we accepted, we would be given priority offline pilots but below United mainline and their exclusive carriers. If we didn’t accept, we would be relegated the same priority as any offline carrier pilot who may support or work for a competitor. Of the UAX non-exclusive carriers, GoJet caved and accepted the changes and as such they are the sole pilot group within the UAX non-exclusive tier falling behind UAL and UAX-E pilots but above offline carriers including us, Republic and Mesa, placing themselves in violation of the reciprocal jumpseat agreement they have with us.
Ultimately the software change directed by the United MEC places our priority on ALL UAL and UAX flights as offline pilots, in direct violation of our agreement with United and UAX-E carriers but more critically in violation of our FOM. While the software change was not scheduled to go into effect until October 15th, we have confirmed that it has been put into immediate effect, meaning as of now, gate agents are improperly sorting jumpseat requests on SkyWest operated flights and putting the flight crew in violation of our FOM without any intervention from the PIC.

How does this affect me as a SkyWest pilot?

1. Most obviously, the loss of priority on UAL and UAX-E flights which is detailed above.

2. More critically, the software change places our flight crews in direct violation of our own FOM when operating a United branded flight with a jumpseater. YOU CAN FACE CERTIFICATE ACTION BY THE FAA for violating the FOM. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to do “the walk” up to the gate to ensure proper sorting of jumpseat requests. AGAIN, YOUR CERTIFICATE IS CURRENTLY AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT ENSURE THAT OUR FOM IS FOLLOWED in regard to jumpseat priority. As UAL and UAX-E partners, as well as GoJet, have violated our reciprocal jumpseat agreements with them, we consider those agreements null and void. THEREFORE, NO UNITED MAINLINE PILOT OR THEIR EXCLUSIVE PARTNERS (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States), AS WELL AS GOJET, CAN UTILIZE THEIR JUMPSEAT AGREEMENT WITH US, as such agreement no longer exists.

Wait, you want me to deny all United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet pilots the jumpseat?

Yes, this is what we are forced to do to avoid violating our own FOM until a proper agreement can be put back in place.

What if there is room in the back? Does this only refer to sitting in the actual jumpseat?

No, as reciprocal jumpseat agreements cover all utilization of jumpseat requests and we no longer have a valid agreement with United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet, this includes any listing request for the jumpseat regardless if there are seats in the back available for all jumpseaters listed.

Does this include non-United branded SkyWest flights?

Yes, because United is unwilling to work with us to correct the FOM violation. We can not carry United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States or GoJet pilots that would willfully violate longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements with us.

How am I supposed to handle denying the jumpseat to those pilots? I hate denying anyone a ride home.

Please ensure that you make the walk up to the gate area on each flight, regardless of partner. Take your EFB with you that has the FOM as well as multiple copies of the letter that we provided to you for United mainline and exclusive carriers and GoJet. Go out of your way to be respectful and explain the situation to each pilot that you need to deny the jumpseat to. Remind them that they can still use pass travel benefits or ZED fares to attempt to get a seat in the back. Most importantly, please take the time to educate yourself on this issue and be able to explain why you are denying them the jumpseat. Explain that allowing them to list for the jumpseat is forcing you to violate your own FOM, and your certificate could be at risk as a result of you letting them list for our jumpseat without a valid agreement in place. If you need further clarification on this, please reach out to any SAPA rep. Lastly, please stay tuned to communications from SAPA regarding this issue as it is ever-evolving. We hope to have a resolution in place soon that will allow for continued use of our jumpseat by United pilots and their exclusive partners without us violating our own FOM.

I am hoping to one day move on to mainline United and I am worried about this affecting my chances of getting a job there.

In no way should this affect anyone’s future career prospects. If you run into a situation where a United mainline pilot is threatening your career advancement, please maintain your professionalism and do not escalate the situation. Explain that you have no choice but to follow guidance from our FOM and SAPA. Take down their name, and please contact our Jumpseat chairman and SAPA President Aric Arnold. We will handle it accordingly.

As for United actually slowing down or stopping hiring from SkyWest, we don’t foresee this happening in any way. It would be illegal for United to do this in retaliation for our action regarding the jumpseat, and considering that they have thousands of retirements scheduled over the next few years and they would have to stop hiring from us, Mesa and Republic, it simply isn’t feasible for them to do so and continue to operate an airline of their size. Again, if you receive threats from anyone at United or their exclusive partners, please reach out to Aric Arnold.

I am a First Officer, and I don’t want to get involved in this. Isn’t this a PIC thing anyways?

Unfortunately, allowing a pilot to list for our jumpseat and ride on-board one of our airplanes without a valid reciprocal jumpseat agreement is a violation of our FOM that places the entire flight crew at risk of being violated by the FAA. So if your captain doesn’t want to deal with this then you are going to have to step up to ensure that our FOM is followed. Your certificate is on the line in this situation just as much as the PIC’s.

Do we really want to get into a jumpseat war with United and five other carriers?

The decision to go as far as deny pilots the jumpseat was not taken lightly. This will likely cost us access to United mainline jumpseats as well as the other carriers that violated their agreements with us as a response to our action. However, the precedent that would be set if we did nothing would be even worse. Changing longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements without even renegotiating with the carrier that you have the agreement with opens up the jumpseat as a bargaining chip for any kind of dispute between carriers and will lead to many more of these kinds of situations in the future. For the sake of protecting the jumpseat as an invaluable resource that pilots have regardless of the dispute between pilot groups, we must stand together and put a stop to this unprecedented action by the United MEC.

My reliability is already marginal, and I am worried about a jumpseat war getting me into disciplinary problems with the company.

We understand the stress of adding complications to our commuters. We have been in contact with SkyWest management regarding this situation, and we have their support. While this is by no means, a get out of jail free card, but they have indicated to us that they will be understanding while this plays out. That being said, if your commute regularly involved United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet, please start looking at alternate options for your commute.

Where are we going from here?
We are closely coordinating with Republic and Mesa regarding out response as they are in the same boat we are in. We are hoping that through a unified response, the United MEC and the UAX-E partners will come to the table and negotiate a true reciprocal jumpseat agreement(s) that respect the contributions that our airlines make to the United system, as the number of flights we, Republic and Mesa operate for UAL are far in excess the flights of the UAX-E carriers combined. We will not allow unilateral action by one airline to deter us from honoring a long standing agreement that has been in place for years and is fair and equitable. Until this issue is resolved in a favorable outcome for SkyWest pilots that restores the norm, we will not back down. Please stand together with us as we fight to protect our longstanding agreements with United and United Express carriers.

When should I start denying the pilots mentioned above for our jumpseat?

The United software change, which is in violation of our reciprocal jumpseat agreements, was supposed to go into effect on Monday, October 15th. On that date, you will be in violation of our FOM if you allow a United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet pilot to utilize a reciprocal jumpseat agreement that is no longer valid.

When will I have the letter to hand to the United/UAX-E Pilots?

The letter to distribute to affected jumpseating pilots will be on SWOL on Monday, October 14th, 2019 in order to be available for printout and distribution on Tuesday, October 15th, effective date.

Amateur hour, luckily they used ALL CAPS to let us know they mean business.
 
So you think its appropriate to threaten or attempt to intimidate a pilot by suggesting his career progression is in jeopardy by not giving preference to an OAL pilot over another?

Seems consistent to me. Dont be a bully.

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No, that you're telling people to breathe and drink a beer in the same post as telling them you're going to leave people at the gate doesn't seem consistent. Commuting is hard, don't make it harder than it needs to be.
 
Because they wanted to enjoy priority on United when still flying for American or Delta.

The UALMEC fixed that and now you are seeing the Skywest folks crying over the fix.


So real talk because this has me wrapped way around the axle right now...

1. From my perspective: I fly nothing but United. I don't care if United wants higher priority than me on Air Wisconsin, I do care that It appears that United thinks I should have lower priority than an Air Wisconsin dispatcher on mainline. There's a valid beef here and it seems like no effort has been expended to solve it.

2. If you want to know why I'm so torn...

Everybody I've looked up to for years has told me that you stand with your peers in this business, it's literally in my career's DNA, and all of a sudden those folks seem like they were full of crap when they said that.

This might upset me the most out of anything in this entire thread.

3. I shouldn't have to deal with this garbage, and I don't give a crap who's wrong. I've moved mountains to get non revs and jumpseaters on and I don't care who they are and where they work.

4. If United wants to own the jumpseat they should take the flying back. I am a professional aviator and I'm tired of being • on by colleagues for playing the game they created and continue to refuse to fix.

I'm so upset about this I'm about an inch from not allowing any jumpseaters until further notice.
 
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