The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

I’m pretty far on the outside, but “you regional guys wouldn’t even have jobs if not for the major partner” seems like the most dickish response possible especially from dudes who were at the regionals a year or three ago.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of dickishness to go around. But going full on “The Situation” roid rage is going to end poorly for everyone.
 
I’m pretty far on the outside, but “you regional guys wouldn’t even have jobs if not for the major partner” seems like the most dickish response possible especially from dudes who were at the regionals a year or three ago.

I’d usually agree. But the behavior of the regional guys here has been so outrageous that they’ve sorta earned the dickishness.
 
If I got denied a jumpseat, I’d be pissed and probably find an alternate to work. But calling Atlanta to speak to the CEO about jumpseat policy is not an option. I can write the ALPA jumpseat coordinator and chances are that I might get a tepid response to my email in about three weeks. All a jumpseat war does is piss off your colleagues and, at the end of the day, despite what you see on internet forums, no one really cares. But you’ve done nothing but disappoint innocent people trying to get home or to work.

Change won’t occur any faster.
 
If I got denied a jumpseat, I’d be pissed and probably find an alternate to work. But calling Atlanta to speak to the CEO about jumpseat policy is not an option. I can write the ALPA jumpseat coordinator and chances are that I might get a tepid response to my email in about three weeks. All a jumpseat war does is piss off your colleagues and, at the end of the day, despite what you see on internet forums, no one really cares. But you’ve done nothing but disappoint innocent people trying to get home or to work.

Change won’t occur any faster.

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Just so we are clear on what is going on this was from the UALMEC, the Pilot's union and NOT management. This has been a long time coming...

"The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 will become effective on October 15. Please see the Oct 9 MEC update re-posted below for more details. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work.

When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines. All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019. Within 30 days of receiving the agreements, five of these carriers signed. These new agreements align the UAL/UAX jumpseat boarding priority with industry standard agreements at AA/American Eagle and DAL/Delta Connection. We would like to thank the ALPA represenatives at ARW, CMT, TSA, and XJT for their leadership working with us to improve jumpseat benefits.

There are three remaining UAX carriers that have not yet signed: SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa. Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines. This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."

If and when each of these "non-exclusive" UAX carriers sign the agreement, they will be moved up into a higher boarding priority and join GoJet in the non-exclusive tier. In addition, they would be included in the upcoming UAX electronic check-in/listing and international jumpseating (ICASS) on UAL."
 
I’m pretty far on the outside, but “you regional guys wouldn’t even have jobs if not for the major partner” seems like the most dickish response possible especially from dudes who were at the regionals a year or three ago.
Not really, facts are facts. Clearly you don’t understand how regionals work.

O and todays update is a complete joke. Certificate action lol. Newsflash the FAA doesn’t care as long they are in CASS. Someone even said your FOM clearly says non regulatory. Good luck...
 
Just so we are clear on what is going on this was from the UALMEC, the Pilot's union and NOT management. This has been a long time coming...

"The new UAX/UAL jumpseat boarding priority outlined in Flt Ops Bulletin 19-194 will become effective on October 15. Please see the Oct 9 MEC update re-posted below for more details. These new agreements are the result of multiple LEC and MEC resolutions and the culmination of years of work.

When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines. All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019. Within 30 days of receiving the agreements, five of these carriers signed. These new agreements align the UAL/UAX jumpseat boarding priority with industry standard agreements at AA/American Eagle and DAL/Delta Connection. We would like to thank the ALPA represenatives at ARW, CMT, TSA, and XJT for their leadership working with us to improve jumpseat benefits.

There are three remaining UAX carriers that have not yet signed: SkyWest, Republic, and Mesa. Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines. This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."

If and when each of these "non-exclusive" UAX carriers sign the agreement, they will be moved up into a higher boarding priority and join GoJet in the non-exclusive tier. In addition, they would be included in the upcoming UAX electronic check-in/listing and international jumpseating (ICASS) on UAL."
Arn’t flight ops bulletins from the Company and not ALPA?
 
Thank god I drive 30 minutes to work. Hope it works out for everyone.
I don't really give a poop about getting to work because, well "I can't make it in. You wanted a jumpseat war, this is what you get. I'll be in my own bed tonight and I'll try again tomorrow."

I'm more concerned about the absolutely crap spot this puts line captains in based on chest thumping by people that probably don't or rarely fly the line.
 
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Fellow Pilots,

As you have likely heard by now, the United ALPA Master Executive Council has decided to adjust our jumpseat agreements with them and their exclusive partners (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, and Trans States) as well as GoJet. If you haven’t yet read the letter from From Aric to our pilots and SAPA’s letter to the United ALPA MEC, and to be given to United and United Express exclusive (UAX-E) pilots attempting to jumpseat, please do so. Below is a Q&A to shed some additional light on what is going on, where we are going from here and what is expected of you as a SkyWest pilot.
What is going on? How did we get here?

Good question! For years, the United MEC (those are the guys that negotiate jumpseat agreements on behalf of United mainline pilots) have been trying to unilaterally change their jumpseat agreements with their United Express partners to prioritize United mainline pilots over other United Express pilots on United Express flights. For example, under the current agreement, if a SkyWest pilot and a United mainline pilot show up to list for the jumpseat on a United Express flight operated by ExpressJet, the priority would be time of check-in. United wants their pilots to get priority over our pilots and other United Express pilots in the example above.

United’s attempts to do this over the years were unsuccessful, due to push back from all of the United Express carriers and their pilots. The recent announcement of “exclusive” United Express partners that fly only for United (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) changed the equation as those carriers have capitulated and acquiesced to United’s proposed changes in return for priority on United and United Express flights above non-exclusive United Express carriers including ourselves, Mesa and Republic.

This came to a head this month when, without warning, the United MEC announced changes to their United’s gate software handling jumpseat priority on United and United Express exclusive carriers, (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) effective October 15th. Additionally, they released new priority literature to their pilot group. The changes placed UAL and UAX-E pilots ahead of United Express non-exclusive pilots on UAL and UAX flights, in violation of our existing agreement. In an additional rub, UALPA made ANY priority to United Express non-exclusive (us) pilots on UAL and UAX-E flights over offline pilots contingent on our acquiescence to these changes. If we accepted, we would be given priority offline pilots but below United mainline and their exclusive carriers. If we didn’t accept, we would be relegated the same priority as any offline carrier pilot who may support or work for a competitor. Of the UAX non-exclusive carriers, GoJet caved and accepted the changes and as such they are the sole pilot group within the UAX non-exclusive tier falling behind UAL and UAX-E pilots but above offline carriers including us, Republic and Mesa, placing themselves in violation of the reciprocal jumpseat agreement they have with us.
Ultimately the software change directed by the United MEC places our priority on ALL UAL and UAX flights as offline pilots, in direct violation of our agreement with United and UAX-E carriers but more critically in violation of our FOM. While the software change was not scheduled to go into effect until October 15th, we have confirmed that it has been put into immediate effect, meaning as of now, gate agents are improperly sorting jumpseat requests on SkyWest operated flights and putting the flight crew in violation of our FOM without any intervention from the PIC.

How does this affect me as a SkyWest pilot?

1. Most obviously, the loss of priority on UAL and UAX-E flights which is detailed above.

2. More critically, the software change places our flight crews in direct violation of our own FOM when operating a United branded flight with a jumpseater. YOU CAN FACE CERTIFICATE ACTION BY THE FAA for violating the FOM. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to do “the walk” up to the gate to ensure proper sorting of jumpseat requests. AGAIN, YOUR CERTIFICATE IS CURRENTLY AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT ENSURE THAT OUR FOM IS FOLLOWED in regard to jumpseat priority. As UAL and UAX-E partners, as well as GoJet, have violated our reciprocal jumpseat agreements with them, we consider those agreements null and void. THEREFORE, NO UNITED MAINLINE PILOT OR THEIR EXCLUSIVE PARTNERS (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States), AS WELL AS GOJET, CAN UTILIZE THEIR JUMPSEAT AGREEMENT WITH US, as such agreement no longer exists.

Wait, you want me to deny all United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet pilots the jumpseat?

Yes, this is what we are forced to do to avoid violating our own FOM until a proper agreement can be put back in place.

What if there is room in the back? Does this only refer to sitting in the actual jumpseat?

No, as reciprocal jumpseat agreements cover all utilization of jumpseat requests and we no longer have a valid agreement with United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet, this includes any listing request for the jumpseat regardless if there are seats in the back available for all jumpseaters listed.

Does this include non-United branded SkyWest flights?

Yes, because United is unwilling to work with us to correct the FOM violation. We can not carry United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States or GoJet pilots that would willfully violate longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements with us.

How am I supposed to handle denying the jumpseat to those pilots? I hate denying anyone a ride home.

Please ensure that you make the walk up to the gate area on each flight, regardless of partner. Take your EFB with you that has the FOM as well as multiple copies of the letter that we provided to you for United mainline and exclusive carriers and GoJet. Go out of your way to be respectful and explain the situation to each pilot that you need to deny the jumpseat to. Remind them that they can still use pass travel benefits or ZED fares to attempt to get a seat in the back. Most importantly, please take the time to educate yourself on this issue and be able to explain why you are denying them the jumpseat. Explain that allowing them to list for the jumpseat is forcing you to violate your own FOM, and your certificate could be at risk as a result of you letting them list for our jumpseat without a valid agreement in place. If you need further clarification on this, please reach out to any SAPA rep. Lastly, please stay tuned to communications from SAPA regarding this issue as it is ever-evolving. We hope to have a resolution in place soon that will allow for continued use of our jumpseat by United pilots and their exclusive partners without us violating our own FOM.

I am hoping to one day move on to mainline United and I am worried about this affecting my chances of getting a job there.

In no way should this affect anyone’s future career prospects. If you run into a situation where a United mainline pilot is threatening your career advancement, please maintain your professionalism and do not escalate the situation. Explain that you have no choice but to follow guidance from our FOM and SAPA. Take down their name, and please contact our Jumpseat chairman and SAPA President Aric Arnold. We will handle it accordingly.

As for United actually slowing down or stopping hiring from SkyWest, we don’t foresee this happening in any way. It would be illegal for United to do this in retaliation for our action regarding the jumpseat, and considering that they have thousands of retirements scheduled over the next few years and they would have to stop hiring from us, Mesa and Republic, it simply isn’t feasible for them to do so and continue to operate an airline of their size. Again, if you receive threats from anyone at United or their exclusive partners, please reach out to Aric Arnold.

I am a First Officer, and I don’t want to get involved in this. Isn’t this a PIC thing anyways?

Unfortunately, allowing a pilot to list for our jumpseat and ride on-board one of our airplanes without a valid reciprocal jumpseat agreement is a violation of our FOM that places the entire flight crew at risk of being violated by the FAA. So if your captain doesn’t want to deal with this then you are going to have to step up to ensure that our FOM is followed. Your certificate is on the line in this situation just as much as the PIC’s.

Do we really want to get into a jumpseat war with United and five other carriers?

The decision to go as far as deny pilots the jumpseat was not taken lightly. This will likely cost us access to United mainline jumpseats as well as the other carriers that violated their agreements with us as a response to our action. However, the precedent that would be set if we did nothing would be even worse. Changing longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements without even renegotiating with the carrier that you have the agreement with opens up the jumpseat as a bargaining chip for any kind of dispute between carriers and will lead to many more of these kinds of situations in the future. For the sake of protecting the jumpseat as an invaluable resource that pilots have regardless of the dispute between pilot groups, we must stand together and put a stop to this unprecedented action by the United MEC.

My reliability is already marginal, and I am worried about a jumpseat war getting me into disciplinary problems with the company.

We understand the stress of adding complications to our commuters. We have been in contact with SkyWest management regarding this situation, and we have their support. While this is by no means, a get out of jail free card, but they have indicated to us that they will be understanding while this plays out. That being said, if your commute regularly involved United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet, please start looking at alternate options for your commute.

Where are we going from here?
We are closely coordinating with Republic and Mesa regarding out response as they are in the same boat we are in. We are hoping that through a unified response, the United MEC and the UAX-E partners will come to the table and negotiate a true reciprocal jumpseat agreement(s) that respect the contributions that our airlines make to the United system, as the number of flights we, Republic and Mesa operate for UAL are far in excess the flights of the UAX-E carriers combined. We will not allow unilateral action by one airline to deter us from honoring a long standing agreement that has been in place for years and is fair and equitable. Until this issue is resolved in a favorable outcome for SkyWest pilots that restores the norm, we will not back down. Please stand together with us as we fight to protect our longstanding agreements with United and United Express carriers.

When should I start denying the pilots mentioned above for our jumpseat?

The United software change, which is in violation of our reciprocal jumpseat agreements, was supposed to go into effect on Monday, October 15th. On that date, you will be in violation of our FOM if you allow a United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet pilot to utilize a reciprocal jumpseat agreement that is no longer valid.

When will I have the letter to hand to the United/UAX-E Pilots?

The letter to distribute to affected jumpseating pilots will be on SWOL on Monday, October 14th, 2019 in order to be available for printout and distribution on Tuesday, October 15th, effective date.
 
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Fellow Pilots,

As you have likely heard by now, the United ALPA Master Executive Council has decided to adjust our jumpseat agreements with them and their exclusive partners (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, and Trans States) as well as GoJet. If you haven’t yet read the letter from From Aric to our pilots and SAPA’s letter to the United ALPA MEC, and to be given to United and United Express exclusive (UAX-E) pilots attempting to jumpseat, please do so. Below is a Q&A to shed some additional light on what is going on, where we are going from here and what is expected of you as a SkyWest pilot.
What is going on? How did we get here?

Good question! For years, the United MEC (those are the guys that negotiate jumpseat agreements on behalf of United mainline pilots) have been trying to unilaterally change their jumpseat agreements with their United Express partners to prioritize United mainline pilots over other United Express pilots on United Express flights. For example, under the current agreement, if a SkyWest pilot and a United mainline pilot show up to list for the jumpseat on a United Express flight operated by ExpressJet, the priority would be time of check-in. United wants their pilots to get priority over our pilots and other United Express pilots in the example above.

United’s attempts to do this over the years were unsuccessful, due to push back from all of the United Express carriers and their pilots. The recent announcement of “exclusive” United Express partners that fly only for United (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) changed the equation as those carriers have capitulated and acquiesced to United’s proposed changes in return for priority on United and United Express flights above non-exclusive United Express carriers including ourselves, Mesa and Republic.

This came to a head this month when, without warning, the United MEC announced changes to their United’s gate software handling jumpseat priority on United and United Express exclusive carriers, (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States) effective October 15th. Additionally, they released new priority literature to their pilot group. The changes placed UAL and UAX-E pilots ahead of United Express non-exclusive pilots on UAL and UAX flights, in violation of our existing agreement. In an additional rub, UALPA made ANY priority to United Express non-exclusive (us) pilots on UAL and UAX-E flights over offline pilots contingent on our acquiescence to these changes. If we accepted, we would be given priority offline pilots but below United mainline and their exclusive carriers. If we didn’t accept, we would be relegated the same priority as any offline carrier pilot who may support or work for a competitor. Of the UAX non-exclusive carriers, GoJet caved and accepted the changes and as such they are the sole pilot group within the UAX non-exclusive tier falling behind UAL and UAX-E pilots but above offline carriers including us, Republic and Mesa, placing themselves in violation of the reciprocal jumpseat agreement they have with us.
Ultimately the software change directed by the United MEC places our priority on ALL UAL and UAX flights as offline pilots, in direct violation of our agreement with United and UAX-E carriers but more critically in violation of our FOM. While the software change was not scheduled to go into effect until October 15th, we have confirmed that it has been put into immediate effect, meaning as of now, gate agents are improperly sorting jumpseat requests on SkyWest operated flights and putting the flight crew in violation of our FOM without any intervention from the PIC.

How does this affect me as a SkyWest pilot?

1. Most obviously, the loss of priority on UAL and UAX-E flights which is detailed above.

2. More critically, the software change places our flight crews in direct violation of our own FOM when operating a United branded flight with a jumpseater. YOU CAN FACE CERTIFICATE ACTION BY THE FAA for violating the FOM. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to do “the walk” up to the gate to ensure proper sorting of jumpseat requests. AGAIN, YOUR CERTIFICATE IS CURRENTLY AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT ENSURE THAT OUR FOM IS FOLLOWED in regard to jumpseat priority. As UAL and UAX-E partners, as well as GoJet, have violated our reciprocal jumpseat agreements with them, we consider those agreements null and void. THEREFORE, NO UNITED MAINLINE PILOT OR THEIR EXCLUSIVE PARTNERS (ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir and Trans States), AS WELL AS GOJET, CAN UTILIZE THEIR JUMPSEAT AGREEMENT WITH US, as such agreement no longer exists.

Wait, you want me to deny all United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet pilots the jumpseat?

Yes, this is what we are forced to do to avoid violating our own FOM until a proper agreement can be put back in place.

What if there is room in the back? Does this only refer to sitting in the actual jumpseat?

No, as reciprocal jumpseat agreements cover all utilization of jumpseat requests and we no longer have a valid agreement with United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States and GoJet, this includes any listing request for the jumpseat regardless if there are seats in the back available for all jumpseaters listed.

Does this include non-United branded SkyWest flights?

Yes, because United is unwilling to work with us to correct the FOM violation. We can not carry United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States or GoJet pilots that would willfully violate longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements with us.

How am I supposed to handle denying the jumpseat to those pilots? I hate denying anyone a ride home.

Please ensure that you make the walk up to the gate area on each flight, regardless of partner. Take your EFB with you that has the FOM as well as multiple copies of the letter that we provided to you for United mainline and exclusive carriers and GoJet. Go out of your way to be respectful and explain the situation to each pilot that you need to deny the jumpseat to. Remind them that they can still use pass travel benefits or ZED fares to attempt to get a seat in the back. Most importantly, please take the time to educate yourself on this issue and be able to explain why you are denying them the jumpseat. Explain that allowing them to list for the jumpseat is forcing you to violate your own FOM, and your certificate could be at risk as a result of you letting them list for our jumpseat without a valid agreement in place. If you need further clarification on this, please reach out to any SAPA rep. Lastly, please stay tuned to communications from SAPA regarding this issue as it is ever-evolving. We hope to have a resolution in place soon that will allow for continued use of our jumpseat by United pilots and their exclusive partners without us violating our own FOM.

I am hoping to one day move on to mainline United and I am worried about this affecting my chances of getting a job there.

In no way should this affect anyone’s future career prospects. If you run into a situation where a United mainline pilot is threatening your career advancement, please maintain your professionalism and do not escalate the situation. Explain that you have no choice but to follow guidance from our FOM and SAPA. Take down their name, and please contact our Jumpseat chairman and SAPA President Aric Arnold. We will handle it accordingly.

As for United actually slowing down or stopping hiring from SkyWest, we don’t foresee this happening in any way. It would be illegal for United to do this in retaliation for our action regarding the jumpseat, and considering that they have thousands of retirements scheduled over the next few years and they would have to stop hiring from us, Mesa and Republic, it simply isn’t feasible for them to do so and continue to operate an airline of their size. Again, if you receive threats from anyone at United or their exclusive partners, please reach out to Aric Arnold.

I am a First Officer, and I don’t want to get involved in this. Isn’t this a PIC thing anyways?

Unfortunately, allowing a pilot to list for our jumpseat and ride on-board one of our airplanes without a valid reciprocal jumpseat agreement is a violation of our FOM that places the entire flight crew at risk of being violated by the FAA. So if your captain doesn’t want to deal with this then you are going to have to step up to ensure that our FOM is followed. Your certificate is on the line in this situation just as much as the PIC’s.

Do we really want to get into a jumpseat war with United and five other carriers?

The decision to go as far as deny pilots the jumpseat was not taken lightly. This will likely cost us access to United mainline jumpseats as well as the other carriers that violated their agreements with us as a response to our action. However, the precedent that would be set if we did nothing would be even worse. Changing longstanding reciprocal jumpseat agreements without even renegotiating with the carrier that you have the agreement with opens up the jumpseat as a bargaining chip for any kind of dispute between carriers and will lead to many more of these kinds of situations in the future. For the sake of protecting the jumpseat as an invaluable resource that pilots have regardless of the dispute between pilot groups, we must stand together and put a stop to this unprecedented action by the United MEC.

My reliability is already marginal, and I am worried about a jumpseat war getting me into disciplinary problems with the company.

We understand the stress of adding complications to our commuters. We have been in contact with SkyWest management regarding this situation, and we have their support. While this is by no means, a get out of jail free card, but they have indicated to us that they will be understanding while this plays out. That being said, if your commute regularly involved United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet, please start looking at alternate options for your commute.

Where are we going from here?
We are closely coordinating with Republic and Mesa regarding out response as they are in the same boat we are in. We are hoping that through a unified response, the United MEC and the UAX-E partners will come to the table and negotiate a true reciprocal jumpseat agreement(s) that respect the contributions that our airlines make to the United system, as the number of flights we, Republic and Mesa operate for UAL are far in excess the flights of the UAX-E carriers combined. We will not allow unilateral action by one airline to deter us from honoring a long standing agreement that has been in place for years and is fair and equitable. Until this issue is resolved in a favorable outcome for SkyWest pilots that restores the norm, we will not back down. Please stand together with us as we fight to protect our longstanding agreements with United and United Express carriers.

When should I start denying the pilots mentioned above for our jumpseat?

The United software change, which is in violation of our reciprocal jumpseat agreements, was supposed to go into effect on Monday, October 15th. On that date, you will be in violation of our FOM if you allow a United mainline, ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, CommutAir, Trans States, or GoJet pilot to utilize a reciprocal jumpseat agreement that is no longer valid.

When will I have the letter to hand to the United/UAX-E Pilots?

The letter to distribute to affected jumpseating pilots will be on SWOL on Monday, October 14th, 2019 in order to be available for printout and distribution on Tuesday, October 15th, effective date.
The funniest thing about this is if a mainline guy misses a commute to work because of a dip• skywest pilot the company wont care and will most likely get them a positive space ticket. Now lets say a skywest pilots gets denied by a mainline guy, I suspect things will be more difficult for them because 1.) they work at a sh ! t bag regional and they have no representation.
 
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