The Great Jumpseat War of 2019

Acrofox said:
So now that I'm done ferrying United Jumpseaters SFO-DFW-SFO for the day for my "little dirtbag regional," let me address a few things:
  1. SkyWest has had a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with UAL since the dawn of time.
  2. Our FOM has a priority list as per that agreement.
  3. United pilots have been trying to grab priority on UAX carriers for a long time, because they feel entitled to it. This has been happening at least back to 2008.
  4. This is the second time THIS YEAR this issue has come up. (The first was in May—see below)
  5. Previous times throughout the past decades, all the UAX carriers told UA to go pound sand on this issue. Now that the UAX "exclusive" carriers have been offered a bump in priority, they have agreed.
  6. I have personally read through the section of the UAL flight ops manual that deals with jumpseat priority while commuting. It matched, at the time, the priority list that's been posted around a lot—UAL, UAL dispatchers, UAL test pilots, UAX (TOC), UAX dispatchers, OAL.
  7. There are many people trying to mischaracterize the issue, and I find the UAL MEC's response to be absolutely full of lies and lies by omission.
  8. ALPA skywest jumpseat priority uax - Google Search is a link to a simple google search that shows the extant priority. You can look at the different versions throughout the years and see the changes as carriers consolidated and sprung up and vanished. There is a clear, long record of the history of UAL/UAX jumpseat priority.
Thus, the following arguments are either lies, lies by omission, or half-truths:
  • "It's always been this way, we're just making the computer enforce it now" is a lie. Ample citations available with a simple google search.
  • "United is trying to prevent abuses by UAX carriers who are getting priority ahead of them." This is a half-truth. See below.
  • "They also claim that the UAL MEC has been officially notified of their upcoming actions. This is patently false." is a lie.
  • "We have not had any communication with IBT since last December or SAPA since last September when they last threatened to disrupt the United operation." is a lie. In their own words: "All eight of our UAX carriers were given new reciprocal jumpseat agreements to sign on May 14, 2019." This issue was raised extensively then (See #4 and many more.)
  • "When we began to research this issue, we discovered that documented jumpseat agreements did not exist between United and the UAX airlines." is a lie.
  • "Due to this failure to sign, these three carriers technically do not have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement with United Airlines." is misleading, at best. Possibly a lie.
  • "This is contrary to the recent information sent out by the IBT and SAPA. Instead of cutting them off completely, as some believe we should, they were afforded the courtesy of being categorized and prioritized as "other airline."" this is extremely manipulative. It makes it sound like a courtesy that they pushed our priority down to the bottom.
We either have a reciprocal jumpseat agreement or we don't. If we don't, then we clearly can't take UAL pilots on the jumpseat.

I really could go on at great length, but I'm trying to be succinct.
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Dammmmmnnnnn......I didn't know we had Maury as one of our members. Impressive!
 

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roundout said:
No, that you're telling people to breathe and drink a beer in the same post as telling them you're going to leave people at the gate doesn't seem consistent. Commuting is hard, don't make it harder than it needs to be.
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Yeah, that's not what I said.

But ok.

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Cazadores said:
Not really, just follow the rules, at this point pretty much everyone other than those on the seniority list are first come first served. Any comparison to Comair is about, well, it isnt.

One thing that could cause a career issue however is allowing a hostile environment in the cockpit, or being intimidated into allowing it by some pilot who feels it is appropriate to do so. Imagine if you end up in an investigation and this silly jumpseat nonsense comes up, and as the captain you allowed the distraction? That resume item will dock your career showboat faster than any supposed blacklist.

As far as I am concerned, first come first served. It is that easy. Anyone who feels it is appropriate to try to intimidate a captain by threatening their career either blatantly or tacit implication by "getting their name" over a free ride should be left in the terminal. Period.

I've been around this industry a long time, I still have my "FERRIS" shirt with a line through the name somewhere. Dont let it get you worked up, you'll enjoy it more.

Stay safe, help each other make this job less of a grinder on our home life it already is, and let's fly jets, make money and drink beer.

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Keep thinking that.
 
I’m concerned as I have had UA in the JS, on our AA flights. @Derg will your company buy you a PS on NOT your airline?

This just sucks. Glad I’m off for another week. Maybe I touch 23k volts (and for the interest 600+ amps) and take a LOA.....

Please please play nice and let’s work to resolve...


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ComplexHiAv8r said:
I’m concerned as I have had UA in the JS, on our AA flights. @Derg will your company buy you a PS on NOT your airline?

This just sucks. Glad I’m off for another week. Maybe I touch 23k volts (and for the interest 600+ amps) and take a LOA.....

Please please play nice and let’s work to resolve...


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Pass it my way when you're done.
 
Glad I work for DAL. I feel like this a cyclical thing, the sooner people just try and help one another get to and from work the better it will be for all.

But I have to agree with UAL here, most or the planes regionals fly are owned by the big name on the side of the jet. Just enjoy the ride it's a much more simple life when you do.
 
From that SAPA update - either your shop feels it's all kinds of special, or they are walking you into a trap.
It talks about seats in the back and JS agreements - BS, those aren't your seats in the back. JS war is JS war, but start denying SA1s their seats and it's going to open a whole another can of worms.
 
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