SU-27 for sale on Controller

[Hacker15e]

if you would happen to penetrate a TFR with one, you just chill out, wait for the F-16's to come along, and then wave as you pull away from them.

Is this some Super Flanker that has magical powers that makes it capable of "pulling away" from an Viper? More importantly, can it "pull away" from the Viper's skinny white wingman, the AMRAAM or the Sidewinder?

 

[Hacker15e]

Unlike the AF A-7 that went into the IND Radission's lobby in 1987....:dunno:

The issue with the ice cream parlor crash is that it is still remembered by the FAA as a reason that civilians apparently can't operate military high performance aircraft.

As you point out, nevermind that the military has accidents with those same aircraft.

Yet...the attitude persists and the FAA tries to stop warbird aviation -- especially jets -- at every step of the process. All in the name of "safety" and (since 2001) "security".

 

[Murdoughnut]

It's demilitarized ... why not?

 

[scramjet]

Don't they get some sort of limited range, "airshow" certification? I would imagine that that wouldn't matter, though. Those things probably have no effective cross country range.

 

[DPApilot]

Haha before reading the article I was gonna say " didn't a guy in RFD recently buy 2 of these?"

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

and I'll raise you a

All in.

 

[Polar742]

Note the last line:Was it r-e-a-l-l-y an A-7 MikeD??

The A-7 crash was from the 4450th, the original F-117A stealth Operations Group during the black days. The A-7 served as chase plane, proficiency aircraft, and cover role for the program. This one was on a cross country. Sucky part was that this accident was one of those "be a hero or be a zero" accidents........had he been able to dead-stick the A-7 into Indy, it'd be a great save. But albeit, he was taking an ASR letdown, popeye and dead-stick, and broke out of the WX past VDP and high. Tried to circle to a different runway, but was out of altitude, airspeed, and options. Sucks.

I remember as a kid seeing this on the local news.

Quite the tragedy. I did not know about the tie-in to the F117 program though.

Interesting.

 

[JoelT]

http://www.starfighters.net/Gallery_-_Logos__Images.html

They put on a great show. I always look forward to seeing them. Louder than all hell too!

Unfortunately the owner, who is a CAL pilot, is not well liked by most of the pilot group. He also happens to be on some sort of list somewhere.

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

Is this some Super Flanker that has magical powers that makes it capable of "pulling away" from an Viper? More importantly, can it "pull away" from the Viper's skinny white wingman, the AMRAAM or the Sidewinder?

Unless you know something the rest of us don't, that SU-27 is a Mach 2.3ish bird. I've never heard of the F-16 being able to go that fast. Unless you want to spill some top secret beans for us here.

 

[Orange Anchor]

Don't they get some sort of limited range, "airshow" certification? I would imagine that that wouldn't matter, though. Those things probably have no effective cross country range.

The -27 with tanks has a ferry range of around 2300nm. Combat radius is around 650nm according to various sites.

The guys at Rockford brought in 2 Su-27UBs and have completely refurbished them. So one shows up in the Controller and what happened to the other one?

And yes, the FAA makes you send them a proposed flight flight plan before you can go because you are an 'experimental" and yes, they get a bit miffed if you decide to go elsewhere. A friend with an L-39 decided to do a little traveling and the FAA was NOT amused.

 

[Orange Anchor]

http://www.starfighters.net/Gallery_-_Logos__Images.html

They put on a great show. I always look forward to seeing them. Louder than all hell too!

Unfortunately the owner, who is a CAL pilot, is not well liked by most of the pilot group. He also happens to be on some sort of list somewhere.

These are the -104s with the blowing boundary layer control and they HOWL. Interesting sound.

At the Standdown, the director of the National Test Pilots' School was there and he talked about some of the airplanes they have including a few Saab Drakens. I asked him about the ones in Newport News and he said that was a real sore point with the Swedes. The airplanes were imported with the understanding they were NOT to fly.. but they did. The Swedes were quite unhappy not only with the guy in Newport but also gave some heat to the school. The problem with the school was resolved and yes I would like to see how the Draken flies. The cockpit is not small but it is snug.

 

[JoelT]

And yes, the FAA makes you send them a proposed flight flight plan before you can go because you are an 'experimental" and yes, they get a bit miffed if you decide to go elsewhere. A friend with an L-39 decided to do a little traveling and the FAA was NOT amused.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute! If went out and bought an L-29 (actually, my dad and I have been pondering it) I would have to submit a flight plan every time I flew even if it was just a local VFR flight? Is it as simple as logging into DUATS or is there some sort of rigmarole that I would have to do?

 

[MikeD]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute! If went out and bought an L-29 (actually, my dad and I have been pondering it) I would have to submit a flight plan every time I flew even if it was just a local VFR flight? Is it as simple as logging into DUATS or is there some sort of rigmarole that I would have to do?

Here's a portion of an FAA General Notice (GENOT) , issued after the F-86 accident in SAC.

(1) Surplus military jets will not take off or land over
densely populated areas; deviations will be approved
at regional level.
(2) Prior to participation in airshows with this type of
aircraft, the pilot shall submit a resume of his participation
in each exhibit. Flights for this purpose,
including routes of flight takeoff, departure, approach
and landing shall be approved by the FAA office involved.
(3) A pilot will not be authorized to operate a surplus
military jet unless:
(a) He shows evidence of having completed a
military or manufacturer's checkout in
that aircraft.
(b) He has flown as pilot-in-command of jet
aircraft within the preceding 3 months and
as pilot-in-command in the particular type
during the preceding 12 months.
(c) He successfully demonstrates his knowledge
of the aircraft and his flight proficiency
by making three takeoffs and landings observed
by an FAA inspector.

 

[Orange Anchor]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute! If went out and bought an L-29 (actually, my dad and I have been pondering it) I would have to submit a flight plan every time I flew even if it was just a local VFR flight? Is it as simple as logging into DUATS or is there some sort of rigmarole that I would have to do?

My understanding is an experimental JET requires you to advise the FAA if you are going to take the airplane OUTSIDE a given radius. yes, you can do local area training but going cross country requires you to advise them prior to departure if it exceeds that given radius.. as it was explained to me. In this case, the fellow did not come straight home as agreed upon and wound up taking a friend up for some acro. Bad planning as it was close enough that someone got an N number, cried to the FAA about some airplane doing crazy stuff and last I heard my friend was looking at a spanking.

These guys are out of Gadsden AL and Hess is a Deltoid. He is also an examiner. He or the guys at Gadsden should be able to give you the real skinny on owning one and operating it.
http://www.internationaljets.com/flighttraining.html

 

[JoelT]

These guys are out of Gadsden AL and Hess is a Deltoid. He is also an examiner. He or the guys at Gadsden should be able to give you the real skinny on owning one and operating it.
http://www.internationaljets.com/flighttraining.html

Yeah, we've talked with them a few times already but, never got so far as to talk regs.

 

[Orange Anchor]

Yeah, we've talked with them a few times already but, never got so far as to talk regs.

Why a -29 instead of the -39 which is a much better performer, especially when you get to the -39ZA.

 

[JoelT]

Why a -29 instead of the -39 which is a much better performer, especially when you get to the -39ZA.

-29 is about $150k cheaper. Really more of a pipe dream anyway. We were trying to figure out how to get as many retired pilots to invest with us and figured if we threw in a jet warbird flying club membership it might seal the deal.

 

[derg]

If you see Nancy Kaney in the JFK crew lounge, ask her for a ride!

 

[KSCessnaDriver]

Why a -29 instead of the -39 which is a much better performer, especially when you get to the -39ZA.

Uhh, the L-29's spanked the L-39's at Reno. That said, I think the L-39's look way cooler.

 

[ca12_15]

http://www.internationaljets.com/flighttraining.html[/URL]

Gadsden is my home airport. Those guys have a really nice facility at International Jets. They are in the pattern just about every time I go out and fly. They were practicing engine outs the other day. Neat stuff