Southwest tries to redecorate LGA tower

///AMG said:
I might be suffering from Stockholm syndrome or something, but I can relate to that sentiment. I think it is more of a matter of coming back inside from the walk around, and not necessarily knowing what has been done, and what still needs doing. So I just do everything I normally do anyway, in that case. Honestly, it makes no difference to me. Even in the right seat, I'm paid well enough a minute (okay, maybe not 330B pay) to not bitch about having to punch some buttons, that take little thought and are punched the same way every time.
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Airbus spent a whole lot of money doing research into how best to split up duties based on who was signing for the plane (CM1/CM2), and who was flying the plane (PF/PM). It tends to initially upset our captain centric way of thinking a bit, but works really well.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
I get there early too. I usually leave from a call out early so I don't have to speed or stress about being late. It's probably annoying but I just want to put my bags away before the whole L1/galley area becomes crowded with people. So I offer to do the walk around or go get coffee because "either way the last thing I want to do is sit here and annoy you."

So far I've only had one guy take me up on getting coffee. It's about 50/50 on the walk. The last guy I flew with wanted to do the walk around so I just chilled out. It's honestly kind of boring on a 4 leg milk run to just sit there. Also the fitbit starts chirping at me to move and I only experience that when I'm confined to a 737. It never happens in my life outside of work :oops: So I get the crew popcorn in KTN and coffee in JNU.
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When I transitioned to the Boeing in 2020, there was a list of 5 most complained about things FOs had about CAs.

One of them was, “CA shows up early.”
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
When I transitioned to the Boeing in 2020, there was a list of 5 most complained about things FOs had about CAs.

One of them was, “CA shows up early.”
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I beat the FO to the airplane 100% of the time and, as long as the agent is there to let me down the airplane, I have the walkaround done before they show up 95% of the time.

I like to set the tone right away that early is on time. On time is late. ;-)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
When I transitioned to the Boeing in 2020, there was a list of 5 most complained about things FOs had about CAs.

One of them was, “CA shows up early.”
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Yeah I'm aware. It hasn't been two years since I thought it was annoying when some captains showed early. But they start boarding the slow PAX sometimes before D40 if there are a lot of them.

Also you can show early and not be annoying. I'd be willing to bet that most people are just annoying when they show up. They are just annoying for longer if they show up early lol. I just sit there and doomscroll for at least 15 minutes. When someone wants to interact with me I'll stop.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
When I transitioned to the Boeing in 2020, there was a list of 5 most complained about things FOs had about CAs.

One of them was, “CA shows up early.”
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That seems like a weird complaint. As long as the captain is not late I don't see why the FO should care when they show up. Is the idea that the captain should meet the rest of the crew in the terminal first rather than onboard the plane? Even then, doesn't seem like anything worth complaining about.
 
Hiboglossi said:
That seems like a weird complaint. As long as the captain is not late I don't see why the FO should care when they show up. Is the idea that the captain should meet the rest of the crew in the terminal first rather than onboard the plane? Even then, doesn't seem like anything worth complaining about.
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It's the resultant behavior that is cultural in certain bases. In general I'm not needed before boarding but I have been at times and it's good to be there. Lots of examples of fueling MELs or issues in the cabin that require delaying boarding. Culturally we don't empower the FAs so they have zero say apparently in boarding or not.

The behavior that a lot of FOs don't like is when they are on time and the captain has already completed preflight items. You can be early and say hi to the FAs or just chill out. That doesn't bother anyone. You have to read between the lines on this one. No one minds if a Captain shows early. People mind if the captain shows up early and micromanages the FO. It's so common at certain bases that the training department discourages it and cites FO complaints.
 
I appreciate the captains showing up and doing “the box”, but it does throw off my flow when I get back up there and if they don’t do ALL of the box I have to go back through and see what they did or didn’t do and that’s a pain.
 
Hiboglossi said:
That seems like a weird complaint. As long as the captain is not late I don't see why the FO should care when they show up. Is the idea that the captain should meet the rest of the crew in the terminal first rather than onboard the plane? Even then, doesn't seem like anything worth complaining about.
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No, more like thought of getting in the way.

The FO has a greater pre flight prep/flow than the CA. They check emer equip, lifevests, CBs, etc. Plus the top overhead panel which is easier to preflight prep while standing or sitting in the jumpseat behind the CA.


Honestly, I just stay out of their way. Showing up 45 min, the FO is already seated in their seat.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
It's the resultant behavior that is cultural in certain bases. In general I'm not needed before boarding but I have been at times and it's good to be there. Lots of examples of fueling MELs or issues in the cabin that require delaying boarding. Culturally we don't empower the FAs so they have zero say apparently in boarding or not.

The behavior that a lot of FOs don't like is when they are on time and the captain has already completed preflight items. You can be early and say hi to the FAs or just chill out. That doesn't bother anyone. You have to read between the lines on this one. No one minds if a Captain shows early. People mind if the captain shows up early and micromanages the FO. It's so common at certain bases that the training department discourages it and cites FO complaints.
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I’ll get there at :45


Everything that needs me, as a CA, can wait.


I have yet to have a flight be late because I showed up at 45 as opposed to 60 prior.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’ll get there at :45


Everything that needs me, as a CA, can wait.


I have yet to have a flight be late because I showed up at 45 as opposed to 60 prior.
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Good for you? No one is being critical of you for that.

I've had a flight go out late because of something I could have handled sooner. I feel like I should just make my signature "Not everyone has the same experience at the same employer and that's a good thing to keep in mind."
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Good for you? No one is being critical of you for that.

I've had a flight go out late because of something I could have handled sooner. I feel like I should just make my signature "Not everyone has the same experience at the same employer and that's a good thing to keep in mind."
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If you showed up 1 hr prior, and the flight went out late, that’s not on you.

If you showed up 45 min prior and it went late, that’s not on you.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
If you showed up 1 hr prior, and the flight went out late, that’s not on you.

If you showed up 45 min prior and it went late, that’s not on you.
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If there is urine all over seat 1C and the FAs don't want to board and the gate agent starts boarding anyway it's a really bad look and needs to apparently be handled by a captain.

It's embarrassing I have to even say this. But here we are with our "premium" product.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
The behavior that a lot of FOs don't like is when they are on time and the captain has already completed preflight items. You can be early and say hi to the FAs or just chill out. That doesn't bother anyone. You have to read between the lines on this one. No one minds if a Captain shows early. People mind if the captain shows up early and micromanages the FO. It's so common at certain bases that the training department discourages it and cites FO complaints.
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Sounds like the problem is micromanagement, rather than the showing up early itself part. So it still seems bizarre to me that they discourage showing up early in and of itself.

Roger Roger said:
but it does throw off my flow when I get back up there and if they don’t do ALL of the box I have to go back through and see what they did or didn’t do and that’s a pain.
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I feel like that could easily be remedied by the captain saying what parts they did and didn't do, and failing that, the FO asking them?
 
mikecweb said:
These threads always make me wonder how Alaskan gets a flight off the ground.
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Hiboglossi said:
Sounds like the problem is micromanagement, rather than the showing up early itself part. So it still seems bizarre to me that they discourage showing up early in and of itself.



I feel like that could easily be remedied by the captain saying what parts they did and didn't do, and failing that, the FO asking them?
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You can teach someone to not show up early. You can't teach people to not be horrible to be around for more than 40 minutes. Also you know our base is in the land of passive aggression right? Why communicate when you can just make up weird cultural rules.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
If there is urine all over seat 1C and the FAs don't want to board and the gate agent starts boarding anyway it's a really bad look and needs to apparently be handled by a captain.

It's embarrassing I have to even say this. But here we are with our "premium" product.
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That’s a bio hazard. Not your fault if that flight leaves late.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
If there is urine all over seat 1C and the FAs don't want to board and the gate agent starts boarding anyway it's a really bad look and needs to apparently be handled by a captain.

It's embarrassing I have to even say this. But here we are with our "premium" product.
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if the FOs arent empowered enough to make a judgment call on things of that nature, in the absence of a CA, then why have them at all

(besides the bleed panel)
 
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