Southwest tries to redecorate LGA tower

phill1174 said:
I think it’s a culture thing. Same thing happens here. For the most part folks have to be damn near in moderate chop before they’ll slow down. I’ve been guilty of it too sometimes, especially if it’s been a long night.

Makes sense when you hear about how we always flew the barber pole in the past and even now having a CI of 450 is normal on next day air flights.
Click to expand...
.80/.82/.80 Then we'll see how it is at cruse and bump it up.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Happens here a lot. At VX as FO, we didn’t touch it unless it was discussed with the CA (something like, hey it’s kinda bumpy whatcha think)?


What’s kinda annoying is there are some FOs at the FIRST hint of a bump will just reach up and throw the sign on.
Click to expand...

Generally speaking, the accepted here is the CA runs the seat belt sign in the air, the FO runs it on the ground. Unless the CA is hand flying and the sign needs to be manipulated, such as passing 10k, then the FO takes care of it.
 
MikeD said:
Generally speaking, the accepted here is the CA runs the seat belt sign in the air, the FO runs it on the ground. Unless the CA is hand flying and the sign needs to be manipulated, such as passing 10k, then the FO takes care of it.
Click to expand...

Oh lord. We have a policy, and then depending on what pilot group El Capitan emerged from, there will be their former policy. For me, I don't f'ing touch that • until (if) they ask me to for the first time with me as PM. This might be the last thing on earth that I care about, so it doesn't matter to me either way. But I let them make the first move.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
In reality I’m not concerned with damaging the aircraft in turbulence so much as I am a high or low speed loss of control.
Click to expand...

Thank you. Happened tonight. Admittedly pretty nasty moderate turbulence over Newfoundland (or whatever Cannuckistan chooses to call it for the time it has left (51st State is just a matter of Time)), but the PF immediately reached up and hit the speed intervene like a reflex action. I was like "woah, dude. We get into the yellow, we just gotta slow down, we stall, there's paperwork..."
 
bimmerphile said:
yall really aim for a number and consult the table or just find a happy medium with enough buffer between high and low speed based on altitude and atmospheric conditions
Click to expand...
I'm the nerdiest one here and I only know it's in the ODM because I was looking for something else.
 
///AMG said:
Oh lord. We have a policy, and then depending on what pilot group El Capitan emerged from, there will be their former policy. For me, I don't f'ing touch that • until (if) they ask me to for the first time with me as PM. This might be the last thing on earth that I care about, so it doesn't matter to me either way. But I let them make the first move.
Click to expand...

It generally doesn’t matter here, so long as it gets done; the way I described is just how it seems to work out,
 
KLB said:
Is who gets the flip the seat belt switch really that big of a deal on the airline side? LOL
Click to expand...

Right? I guess some things have to have some importance of some kind attached to them, with how boring-ass that job already is. I guess at some carriers, that’s one of them. As my place I’m part time at is mostly the land of airline misfits, including some Alaska long-timers, not many things are a giant priority. :)
 
bimmerphile said:
yall really aim for a number and consult the table or just find a happy medium with enough buffer between high and low speed based on altitude and atmospheric conditions
Click to expand...
Usually, it is dependent on the severity. Slow to .84 if auto-throttles are having trouble, then down to .80 if we start getting some bumps.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Some People get bent about it. Most are all "meh, it's closer to you, have at it."
Click to expand...
MikeD said:
Right? I guess some things have to have some importance of some kind attached to them, with how boring-ass that job already is. I guess at some carriers, that’s one of them. As my place I’m part time at is mostly the land of airline misfits, including some Alaska long-timers, not many things are a giant priority. :)
Click to expand...

Of all the stresses of this gig, taking issue over whom has control of the seat belt switch appears the king of majoring in the minors.
 
KLB said:
Is who gets the flip the seat belt switch really that big of a deal on the airline side? LOL
Click to expand...

It’s generational.

Procedurally any pilot can control it, but it’s traditionally the captain that does it.

As long as you’re using science, have at it because they’ll get the carts out, spend about ten minutes arranging them and get out in the aisles.

If it’s smooth for a second, the FO flips it off right before a zone with a nasty EDR, well, no.

It takes about 10 to 15 minutes to go from being in the aisle serving to securing everything to take the jump seats in turbulence.
 
derg said:
It’s generational.

Procedurally any pilot can control it, but it’s traditionally the captain that does it.

As long as you’re using science, have at it because they’ll get the carts out, spend about ten minutes arranging them and get out in the aisles.

If it’s smooth for a second, the FO flips it off right before a zone with a nasty EDR, well, no.

It takes about 10 to 15 minutes to go from being in the aisle serving to securing everything to take the jump seats in turbulence.
Click to expand...

I understand. The way that I approach the seat belt switch on my side of the house is that I typically brief the forcasted enroute weather to the other pilot and the cabin host/hostess during the preflight briefing. Most pilots that I've flown with on this side of the house typically ask before turning the sign off. But it wouldn't bother me if they did without asking. I'd just have them turn it back on if I don't want it off. I'd typically tell them to turn it back on and explain my rationale for it.

A single cabin hostess/host giving full service (plate settings with fine china and all that jazz) typically takes about as long to put way as what you all have going on in the back. They don't really like it when you tell them that they have to put all that stuff away with little to no warning. So I totally understand that. I just find it strange that someone would get all hot under the collar about it. I figure that it sets a really bad tone on the flightdeck.
 
On my fleet even in the short years that I've been here it's been the Captain that runs the seat belt sign. As an FO I appreciated not having to worry about it, and now in the left seat I prefer having one consistent standard for it. I will gladly accept hints and cues from an FO if I'm being overly optimistic, such as looking up at the position of the switch, mentions of "man what's up with this ride?", or even a straightforward "hey boss do you think we should turn the seatbelt sign back on?". I like to set a tone that if I'm out of the cockpit for some reason and it needs to be turned on, to go ahead and do it. Most people get it, occasionally I'll brief it as a reminder. Just please don't be the person whose hand reaches for that switch at warp speed as soon as we get a little bump of intermittent light chop.
 
derg said:
It’s generational.

Procedurally any pilot can control it, but it’s traditionally the captain that does it.

As long as you’re using science, have at it because they’ll get the carts out, spend about ten minutes arranging them and get out in the aisles.

If it’s smooth for a second, the FO flips it off right before a zone with a nasty EDR, well, no.

It takes about 10 to 15 minutes to go from being in the aisle serving to securing everything to take the jump seats in turbulence.
Click to expand...
I just, you know.... ask the captain before touching it?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top