Skiles and Age 65+

ZapBrannigan said:
Wasn't there some study a while back about the difference in life expectancy for pilots who retired at 55 vs 60 vs 65?
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ive never seen it, but supposedly there is an FAA memo out there detailing how for every year over 50 a controller works, the FAA has to pay out 2 months fewer benefits on average. My guess is results would be similar over a lot of career fields.
 
Seggy said:
Yes, no doubt US Airlines were supported during a pandemic as hundreds of other industries and individuals were.

Completely different than being supported without a pandemic...

Huge difference folks.
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i actually don’t really see a big difference. Like don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the ME carriers being able to do TUL -> DFW turns either, but… yah protectionism is protectionism…
 
ppragman said:
i actually don’t really see a big difference. Like don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the ME carriers being able to do TUL -> DFW turns either, but… yah protectionism is protectionism…
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You realize that if the government didn't pump the money into the economy it would have been the Great Depression X100? Preventing a global economic collapse is different than protectionism.
 
Seggy said:
You realize that if the government didn't pump the money into the economy it would have been the Great Depression X100? Preventing a global economic collapse is different than protectionism.
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I agree that it was a great thing to do - in fact I wish the government would take a lot more active roll in the economic prosperity of the country…

I don’t know that you can say “would have been the Great Depression x100” but yah, I supported (and continue to support) bailing out carriers when they are in trouble even - though I think the tax payers should get some ownership of them after the fact.

regardless, at the end of the day, foreign countries protecting their economic interests doesn’t seem that different to me than us protecting ours.
 
Seggy said:
Yes, no doubt US Airlines were supported during a pandemic as hundreds of other industries and individuals were.

Completely different than being supported without a pandemic...

Huge difference folks.
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NO difference.

And where’s your proof of the ME3 help? Actual, peer reviewed and audited proof?
 
Seggy said:
You realize that if the government didn't pump the money into the economy it would have been the Great Depression X100? Preventing a global economic collapse is different than protectionism.
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Focus. The topic was airline bailout and protectionism.

YOU do realize airlines worldwide laid off thousands of pilots? But that many airlines did make it through the pandemic?

Without the help, United would still be ok. YOU would have gone from 737 CA to the unemployment line.

Don’t ever itch /complain about the ME3 again. You have lost the right to do that while collecting PSP benefits.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
NO difference.

And where’s your proof of the ME3 help? Actual, peer reviewed and audited proof?
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Focus. The topic was airline bailout and protectionism.

YOU do realize airlines worldwide laid off thousands of pilots? But that many airlines did make it through the pandemic?

Without the help, United would still be ok. YOU would have gone from 737 CA to the unemployment line.

Don’t ever itch /complain about the ME3 again. You have lost the right to do that while collecting PSP benefits.
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Like Sabarro is different than NYC Pizza, getting government money in a pandemic is different than getting government money when an airline should be making money.

Here is 18 pages for you to enjoy...

 
Seggy said:
Like Sabarro is different than NYC Pizza, getting government money in a pandemic is different than getting government money when an airline should be making money.

Here is 18 pages for you to enjoy...

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I asked you for something other than ALPA. That was nothing more than a union hit piece. Show me a peer reviewed study, audits, non ALPA, that’s proves ME3 help.

US airlines: Getting money after 9/11. “That was different.” Getting money for pandemic. “That was different.” Gee, the two biggest downturns this century and they’re different, you say.

You’re full of it. You justify government bailout WHEN IT DIRECTLY SAVED YOUR JOB. Prime example of hypocrisy. You have lost your argument. Especially in this pandemic, the loans and grants were in the BILLIONS. Govt help is ok when Seggy can still play 737 CA.

Go back in JCthreads, when YOU made posts asking for PSP support, and I said why? This is too much money, this isn’t right. That round 1 was ok but we should say no to round 2 of PSP. You LITERALLY told me to shut up and stay in my lane.

Amazing how emotional you got when you thought you’d go from 350k CA to 0.

How about now, you stuff it on ME3 help? Hypocrite.
 
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Once again, do you understand the difference between subsidizing industries in a pandemic and subsidizing fifth freedom flights? Apparently not...
 
Seggy said:
Once again, do you understand the difference between subsidizing industries in a pandemic and subsidizing fifth freedom flights? Apparently not...
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Oh please. This isn’t just about 5th amendment rights.

You said it best, one of your best quotes:

“Everyone is a socialist when their house is on fire.”


Prime hypocrisy on your end. You never had any issues with a post 9/11 United flying 5th freedom stuff from Bahrain to Kuwait or Doha. An airline that received loans.


Fact: You and I would be jobless had it not been for the PSP grants and airline loans. Stop making excuses bywriting it off.

“It was 9/11, that was different!”

“It was a pandemic, that was different!”


Next? Don’t know, but let’s imagine…

“It was different, the comet was headed to earth and until we intercepted it and set a new trajectory, people stopped flying because they thought they’d be dead soon!”


There will ALWAYS be a Seggy excuse as to why continued US govt help of our airlines is good, because it only happens when the times are bad.


It’s kinda pathetic man. The good news is, most people here (and in general) can see through the ME3 argument BS after our own bailouts.
 
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Seggy said:
So angry.

If you can't see the difference, not my problem.
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There is NO difference.


You’d be angry too if you went from 350k to $0.00 without PSP or loans. When EK parked their entire A380 fleet, those guys got shown the door. So much for their government support and bailout.


So what’s your story? That ME3 carriers only get supported in the good years (when they don’t even need the money), but in the bad years, when they could use some big help, they don’t get any and layoff THOUSANDS? Yeah, because that makes sense.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
There is NO difference.


You’d be angry too if you went from 350k to $0.00 without PSP or loans. When EK parked their entire A380 fleet, those guys got shown the door. So much for their government support and bailout.


So what’s your story? That ME3 carriers only get supported in the good years (when they don’t even need the money), but in the bad years, when they could use some big help, they don’t get any and layoff THOUSANDS? Yeah, because that makes sense.
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The ME3 most likely let those guys/gals out the door as they figured other airlines would go under and they can bring in cheaper labor.

If you are so angry that the airlines/ALPA got funds for their employees, like hundreds of other industries, why don't you stop paying dues or quit?
 
Seggy said:
The ME3 most likely let those guys/gals out the door as they figured other airlines would go under and they can bring in cheaper labor.
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That's Trump level conspiracy theory.

If you are so angry that the airlines/ALPA got funds for their employees, like hundreds of other industries, why don't you stop paying dues or quit?
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No, just pointing out your massive sheer hypocrisy. Which you still claim is "different" because things were really, really bad. It's laughable. No one can take the ALPA boogeyman of "ME3" seriously anymore.

The world watched US pilots remain paid and employed AND fly international routes at a time when they were furloughed and unable to fly international routes themselves. Talk about the biggest silver suppository given in aviation history. LITERALLY the biggest ever. Only in America!
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's Trump level conspiracy theory.



No, just pointing out your massive sheer hypocrisy. Which you still claim is "different" because things were really, really bad. It's laughable. No one can take the ALPA boogeyman of "ME3" seriously anymore.

The world watched US pilots remain paid and employed AND fly international routes at a time when they were furloughed and unable to fly international routes themselves. Talk about the biggest silver suppository given in aviation history. LITERALLY the biggest ever. Only in America!
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Why are you angry, you got paid too?
 
Seggy said:
The ME3 most likely let those guys/gals out the door as they figured other airlines would go under and they can bring in cheaper labor.
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Actually it was worse, they didn't furlough - they laid off pilots. Not in seniority order either, but based off of who were "company men/women". Anyone who was a squeaky wheel (consistently asked for more fuel), on medical leave, or had too many sick calls - got the axe. Those left knew how to say yes or were locals. As flying has come back foreigners were asked to return with pay cuts, guess how many took them up on that?

Also, don't feed the troll.
 
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