Silver Airways Saab Lands At Wrong Airport
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I strongly believe in a just safety culture, however, I would still expect to lose my job over it. I wouldn't even argue it, either. That's true for every company I've worked for, even the ALPA one.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Didn't hear about that one; were they able to get re-released and fly it back out? There are a few logistical issues at my job that could turn something like this into a very big deal, depending on where you land (think bottom ticker on CNN, big deal). That's not even considering the aspect of getting the jet back out.
Seggy
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Oh, by the way, for those saying 'FIRE THE PILOTS', let me ask has anyone ever worked an investigation where this happened?
I hate to sound arrogant, but I actually have. In the incident I investigated there were like 27 factors outside the control of the pilots that contributed to the mistake. So everyone needs to take a few steps back here and understand it can/does will happen.
I hate to sound arrogant, but I actually have. In the incident I investigated there were like 27 factors outside the control of the pilots that contributed to the mistake. So everyone needs to take a few steps back here and understand it can/does will happen.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
To be clear, I'm not saying that the pilots should automatically be fired. I'm saying that I'd go into the meeting with the full expectation to lose my job.
Seggy
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Oh no, you are definetly thinking about this rationaly and clearly. You definetly 'get it'.
The pilots who did land at the wrong airport were expecting to get canned with the investigation I worked. Once the layers of what happened were peeled back, there was more to it than the pilots actions.
The pilots who did land at the wrong airport were expecting to get canned with the investigation I worked. Once the layers of what happened were peeled back, there was more to it than the pilots actions.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
A safe and just culture doesn't imply permissiveness. (And yes, I've read Dekker's book on the subject, and I count it as one of my favorites.)
My comment above was along the lines of Dasleben's thinking. I'd be very surprised to walk out employed, at any company I've worked at, union or not.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Which is exactly why no one here should be commenting at all on what should happen to these pilots. No one here has all of the facts.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
What year Rand-McNally? I think I have a 1999 hanging around here somewhere.
WacoFan
Bigly
That'll work - they don't move the important stuff - rivers and such.
SpiraMirabilis
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surreal1221
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So much awesome...
Some people just don't learn.
Some people just don't learn.
WacoFan
Bigly
That's the thing - as much as I'd love to join a Huggie beat-down - I kind of see his point in a way. I also see ATN's point as well.
I understand and agree with ATN's "reckless and careless" standard - I'm just not sure that is where I'd place the bar - I'd probably want it more stringent. On the other hand - some of the best hires I've ever made were people that completely and totally blew-it on some project at there last job. If they are smart they won't make the same mistake again, and have been humbled - and nothing builds maturity like a good humbling.
I understand and agree with ATN's "reckless and careless" standard - I'm just not sure that is where I'd place the bar - I'd probably want it more stringent. On the other hand - some of the best hires I've ever made were people that completely and totally blew-it on some project at there last job. If they are smart they won't make the same mistake again, and have been humbled - and nothing builds maturity like a good humbling.
Seggy
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There is a 'bar' in situations like this. It is reckless and careless operation such as purposely putting the plane in a barrel roll, etc.
There is a flow chart related to the ASAP Program that relates to these types of situations. As long as the crew acted in a certain manner, their mistake of landing at the wrong airport, should be accepted (if) Silver has an ASAP program. Nick can comment on this flow chart and probably post it.
