Scabs

[MDPilot]

Negative networking If this keeps me from getting a job, which I doubt it will, then to &%^* with it. All my eggs aren't in one basket. Someone wishing ill-will on someone they never met and no nothing about says alot in regards to the "wishers" character.

I'm not wishing you ill. It's simply that networking is what gets you an interview/job in this industry. You are intentionally not making a good impression on potential resume walker inners. It'll bite you one day.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Tram, this is the same guy who on several occassions told a student pilot that he shouldn't be asking questions about CRJ systems or flight handling characteristics. Saying that he should only be focusing on his PPL training! And to worry about CRJ systems and handling characteristics when he is in ground school.

Matt...(aloft) you're making an ass of yourself. Please stop!

Seriously!

 

[Tram]

Tram, this is the same guy who on several occassions told a student pilot that he shouldn't be asking questions about CRJ systems or flight handling characteristics. Saying that he should only be focusing on his PPL training! And to worry about CRJ systems and handling characteristics when he is in ground school.

Oh.. that 'splains it..

 

[MQAAord]

What MDpilot painted above is a very accurate picture of what a scab's life is like after the strike. It is not pleasant. To strike or scab is a personal decision, and no one can tell you what to do. However, please be very aware of what the ramifications of your decision are. Whether you agree with it or not, the life MDpilot described IS the way it is for a scab.

If you go to work for a 121 carrier, be prepared for the possibility of a strike. The same as you should prepare for the possibility of a furlough, or the possibility of a merger. You never know what's going to happen. If a strike is something you can not deal with, that's okay, but flying for a 121 carrier may not then be the best career choice. There's plenty of other options, with corporate etc.

Everyone, regardless of place of employement, senority, or even industry, should have a 3 month cushion of funds in an 'emergency fund'. This is enough money to live on for 3 months so that if you get furloughed, strike, sick, break a leg, whatever, that you aren't in dire financial straits! Tuck away $100 a month, something anything you can to build up an emergency fund. It is vital in this industry, and not just in case of a strike!

Also, ALPA does offer some financial assistance during a strike, it's not much but it's something.

I'll scour the APFA website and see if I can find a really great article written by a AA F/A who scabbed during the strike of '93. In the article, she describes her life since '93, how she remember all the reasons she told herself to justify scabbing, but that it was the worst decision she'd ever made. She regrets it very much now, but it's too late. The life she describes is pretty much the same thing MDpilot described.

 

[butt]

Here is an honest question. I want this question to be answered 100% honestly. This is not a joke. If you knew your first officer or captain had kidnapped a small little girl and raped her in the airplane lavatory, would you put this person higher or lower than a scab? What if that person had done something extremely unsafe, like a barrel roll in a passenger jet, or had flown drunk?

It boggles my mind how something as esoteric and political as being a scab earns you the lowest of low reputations. I can think of at least 10 things far worse than crossing a picket line. To me, a pilot not showing regard to safety would be far far FAR worse than somebody going to work when others don't want them to. Even then, I sure as hell wouldn't key their car or spit in their food. Just the fact that another pilot would think to do such a thing makes me want to throw my damn epaulets in the garbage and never wear them again.

I'll scour the APFA website and see if I can find a really great article written by a AA F/A who scabbed during the strike of '93. In the article, she describes her life since '93, how she remember all the reasons she told herself to justify scabbing, but that it was the worst decision she'd ever made. She regrets it very much now, but it's too late. The life she describes is pretty much the same thing MDpilot described.

please post this as I am very interested in reading it.

 

[bike21]

There are many many things worse than a scab. But in the realm of aviation it is the second lowest. Lowest being those do things in an unsafe manner on purpose. Check that - probably a tie since they might be one in the same.

 

[mtsu_av8er]

If you knew your first officer or captain had kidnapped a small little girl and raped her in the airplane lavatory, would you put this person higher or lower than a scab?

Same level.

What if that person had done something extremely unsafe, like a barrel roll in a passenger jet, or had flown drunk?

Not as low as a scab.

 

[butt]

Same level.

What if that person had done something extremely unsafe, like a barrel roll in a passenger jet, or had flown drunk?[/quote]

Not as low as a scab.[/QUOTE]
I mean this 100% without sarcasm: You are one ####ed up person. I hope to never have to share a cockpit with you.

 

[MDPilot]

Even then, I sure as hell wouldn't key their car or spit in their food. Just the fact that another pilot would think to do such a thing makes me want to throw my damn epaulets in the garbage and never wear them again.

Warm up your pitching arm.

Actually those type of things are relatively mild in the overall union scheme of things. I haven't actually heard of any pilots being kneecapped or beaten half (or wholly) to death with baseball bats, or family threatened/attacked. All of which has happened to strike breakers/scabs in other industries.

BTW, have you read "Flying the Line I and II?"

 

[Seggy]

I still find it amazing that some really cool cats that I know personally aren't getting the idea of family first.
I'll only retouch this subject for the homie Max in regards to his question and add a little clarification. Given my situation, I have options so I would neither strike nor "scab", I'd just get another job. It would suck having to get another job, but striking muddies the waters and scabbing muddies the waters.
Oh yeah, Tram you seriously need to get it straight. You called me a scab, therefore that worthless comment was directed at me in the context you put it in.
Lastly, I'm all about taking care of your family first. For whatever reason, if you're living paycheck to paycheck and can't afford to strike then I would say don't. This "gang bangin'-takin sides-blind to the other side" mentality is ridiculous and juvenile.

Ed, listen man, I have a lot of respect for you, but on this you are WAY off the mark here.

We all have families we have to take care of, we all have goals, we all have our needs and wants.

We are also a 'brotherhood' of pilots. Go against that brotherhood and scab be prepared to be kicked in the balls. It is easy to take the 'easy way out' and scab. If people take the 'easy way out' all the time, how can life be made better?

Sometimes the hard thing to do is the right thing to do.

I have gotten two threating phone calls threatening my career for my union stance and position at my airline. My buddy also has two (usually at 3AM they call ). It would be easy to lie over and wave the white surrender flag, however, when my career is threatened, I dig in and tell them to kiss my fat hairy A$$, that has dingleberrys still hanging off of it from the Bean Burrito I had last night.

I hold those dingleberrys in higher regard than I do scabs.

Don't make excuses for scabs. END 'O STORY

 

[MSUDAWG]

They would probably be grouped together in my book. Yeah the rapist took advantage of a child, but the scab "raped" what was mine and what I was working to improve therefore taking advantage of me and everyone else in that situation. That is the lowest of lows and is extremely cowardish

And the funny thing is, im not in the 121 world yet.....

 

[bike21]

The vast majority of here agree scabs are low-lifes. But does anyone condone keying cars, physical violence, etc.

Ignoring them and not giving respect is proper IMO. But the beatings of the old union days were crazy. Vigilante and criminal acts have no place in this profession.

 

[MSUDAWG]

The vast majority of here agree scabs are low-lifes. But does anyone condone keying cars, physical violence, etc.

Ignoring them and not giving respect is proper IMO. But the beatings of the old union days were crazy. Vigilante and criminal acts have no place in this profession.

No that is childish and immature and also cowardly but so is what they did by scabbing....I dont condone messing with someones property but I wouldnt associate myself with those people. Hell my dad tells me stories all the time about emails sent out from pilots messing with other pilots cars in the employee lot for not even being a member of the union. Tires get slashed, cars get keyed, windows broken out, notes left...And these are grown professionals doing this. So if they do that to the guys that arent in the union, imagine what they will do if that had to strike and a scab showed up...hate to be in their shoes

 

[Airdale]

I dig in and tell them to kiss my fat hairy A$$, that has dingleberrys still hanging off of it from the Bean Burrito I had last night.

I hold those dingleberrys in higher regard than I do scabs.

Come on Mark!!! Why you gotta paint that image in my mind just before bed!?!? That ain't right. I'm leaving the seat all the way up and all the way forward tomorrow, just for you!! :laff:

If my fellow pilots were on strike, there is no way in hell I would turn my back on them. I'll get a second job, do whatever it takes to support the family. But I would never turn my back on fellow pilots, it just ain't right.

 

[butt]

I have gotten two threating phone calls threatening my career for my union stance and position at my airline. My buddy also has two (usually at 3AM they call ). It would be easy to lie over and wave the white surrender flag, however, when my career is threatened, I dig in and tell them to kiss my fat hairy A$$, that has dingleberrys still hanging off of it from the Bean Burrito I had last night.

I hold those dingleberrys in higher regard than I do scabs.

Don't make excuses for scabs. END 'O STORY

this kind of crap just keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.

The only think I can think of is that they make it harder for strikers to get what they want. So what. Strike harder then. People say things like scabs are selfish. The way I see it, it's the strikers who are being selfish.

If there are people out there who are willing to work for less then why hold a grudge against them? Wouldn't your hate be more effective if it was directed towards the CEO's of the airlines who are the ones responsible for making the pay cuts in the first place?

 

[bike21]

MSUDAWG - good to hear! Those that retaliate against the scabs are coming down toward (not even) with their level. We need to evolve as a society. There will always be bad people doing bad things, but the majority of good folk need to hold ourselves to a higher level.

 

[MDPilot]

this kind of crap just keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.

The only think I can think of is that they make it harder for strikers to get what they want. So what. Strike harder then. People say things like scabs are selfish. The way I see it, it's the strikers who are being selfish.

If there are people out there who are willing to work for less then why hold a grudge against them? Wouldn't your hate be more effective if it was directed towards the CEO's of the airlines who are the ones responsible for making the pay cuts in the first place?

You really don't have a concept of what a union is or does, do you? I'll repeat, have you read "Flying the Line"? If not, ask Seggy, he may still have an extra copy.

 

[Airdale]

this kind of crap just keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.

The only think I can think of is that they make it harder for strikers to get what they want. So what. Strike harder then. People say things like scabs are selfish. The way I see it, it's the strikers who are being selfish.

If there are people out there who are willing to work for less then why hold a grudge against them? Wouldn't your hate be more effective if it was directed towards the CEO's of the airlines who are the ones responsible for making the pay cuts in the first place?

Wow. Go back and re-read what you just wrote. Na...nevermind, let me highlight what you just wrote.....see that? See whats highlighted?? Its attitudes like THAT, that lead to Regional pilots making less then $25k a year. Get a grip man. Pilots deserve to be payed a heck of a lot more then $20k a year. Its absolutely absurd. Because people are willing to fly a SHINEY jet for LESS then $20k a year, we get ridiculous wages. Unbelievable...you need to do some research or choose another career, because attitudes like that are the reason why this industry is getting tanked. The heck with low time guys, its the "I'll fly for $20 a day!!" guys. Management LOVES your kind....but your fellow coworkers...eh

 

[mtsu_av8er]

I mean this 100% without sarcasm: You are one ####ed up person. I hope to never have to share a cockpit with you.

I can live with that.

 

[bike21]

this kind of crap just keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.

The only think I can think of is that they make it harder for strikers to get what they want. So what. Strike harder then. People say things like scabs are selfish. The way I see it, it's the strikers who are being selfish.

If there are people out there who are willing to work for less then why hold a grudge against them? Wouldn't your hate be more effective if it was directed towards the CEO's of the airlines who are the ones responsible for making the pay cuts in the first place?

A strike doesn't happen because a few 'greedy' pilots want a few more bucks per flight hour. It is a HUGE deal about QOL, pay, safety, etc. Also there are many barriers to even get to a strike with the overall majority of the pilot group voting to strike. A strike is an ugly thing, something that has to come about because management and the union cannot rectify their differences. Nobody wants a strike. So after all the hardship and work that gets done to even get to the point of a strike - a scab(s) screws the pooch by breaking ways with the group and not standing strong.