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Seggy said:
Ed, listen man, I have a lot of respect for you, but on this you are WAY off the mark here.

We all have families we have to take care of, we all have goals, we all have our needs and wants.

We are also a 'brotherhood' of pilots. Go against that brotherhood and scab be prepared to be kicked in the balls. It is easy to take the 'easy way out' and scab. If people take the 'easy way out' all the time, how can life be made better?

Sometimes the hard thing to do is the right thing to do.

I have gotten two threating phone calls threatening my career for my union stance and position at my airline. My buddy also has two (usually at 3AM they call :mad: ). It would be easy to lie over and wave the white surrender flag, however, when my career is threatened, I dig in and tell them to kiss my fat hairy A$$, that has dingleberrys still hanging off of it from the Bean Burrito I had last night.

I hold those dingleberrys in higher regard than I do scabs.

Don't make excuses for scabs. END 'O STORY
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Nope, I'm not way off the mark. Strikes, etc. isn't what it used to be. I am fortunate enough to have witnessed the grocer's strike firsthand (which lasted a few days over 20weeks).

I just hope it is all talk that some guys would let their family starve rather than cross a picket line.
Note: Crossing the picketline under the circumstances I described above, ie. no other options to make money, etc.
As long as a man is still providing for his family, legally, I really don't care. But if your situation has you hanging by a thread and you purposely leave your fam hangin like that, that is a coward in my eyes and in the eyes of alot of other men.
 
butt said:
this kind of crap just keeps getting repeated over and over again.

Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.

The only think I can think of is that they make it harder for strikers to get what they want. So what. Strike harder then. People say things like scabs are selfish. The way I see it, it's the strikers who are being selfish.

If there are people out there who are willing to work for less then why hold a grudge against them? Wouldn't your hate be more effective if it was directed towards the CEO's of the airlines who are the ones responsible for making the pay cuts in the first place?
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To answer your question directly.

First it is NOT crap.

Secondly CEOs see scabs as tools AGAINST their pilots and strikers. Why would an airline CEO be willing to listen to the brotherhood of pilots when they have scum at their disposal to fly instead? Scabs enable this.

Scabs are scum.

See this now?
 
butt said:
Here is an honest question. I want this question to be answered 100% honestly. If you knew your first officer or captain had kidnapped a small little girl and raped her in the airplane lavatory, would you put this person higher or lower than a scab?
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I would put the guy who raped a little girl way lower than a scab.. However, they are two completely different levels of dispicable acts..

Sorta like, who would you put lower.. The guy who raped your wife or the guy who stole your grandmothers social security? Well the rapist dude is in some deep ca-ca, however, the social security guy isn't much higher..

BTW..Didn't you jump all over me for "comparing" a scab to a child molestor earlier and now you are doing the same "thing"? Tisk, tisk..

butt said:
What if that person had done something extremely unsafe, like a barrel roll in a passenger jet, or had flown drunk?
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First of all, what is extremely unsafe about rolling a passenger jet? What's wrong with rolling a passenger jet? Tex Johnson rolled a 707 at relatively low altitude..


With that said, I guess that would depend on the situation..

When the passenger jet was rolled, did it have pax on board? If you are being negligent with someone else's life - that's a jacked up situation.. I've done some silly things in airplanes, all of which were either a.) with willing participants or b.) I was alone.. I would never roll a pax jet with pax on board nor would I put a persons life in danger who did not wish to be there..

Flying drunk is pretty shameful too, but again.. Are we talking with pax on board or not.. If some guy wants to drink some booze and fly himself into the side of a mountain in his C-206, fine with me.. Thins the ignorance out of the population..
 
Sprint100 said:
Nope, I'm not way off the mark. Strikes, etc. isn't what it used to be. I am fortunate enough to have witnessed the grocer's strike firsthand (which lasted a few days over 20weeks).

I just hope it is all talk that some guys would let their family starve rather than cross a picket line.
Note: Crossing the picketline under the circumstances I described above, ie. no other options to make money, etc.
As long as a man is still providing for his family, legally, I really don't care. But if your situation has you hanging by a thread and you purposely leave your fam hangin like that, that is a coward in my eyes and in the eyes of alot of other men.
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Ed, what do you say to those standing outside on the picket line? Don't THEY have mouths to feed? Kids to send through college? Bills to pay?

They are sacrificing a lot to make this industry better by striking. There are NO excuses to scabbing. NONE.

One is a coward to take the easy way out and cross the line.

There are to many out there worrying about themselves. That is fine and good but think about the group. Think about the ramifications your individual actions and attitudes will play into the bigger picture.
 
butt said:
Not a single person in this entire thread has been able to explain exactly why being a scab is so drat bad.
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A scab is not someone who is willing to "work for less.."

A scab is someone who is willing to stab YOU in the back when you are trying to accomplish something as a whole..

IE You are trying to change labor laws, pay rates, anything that would cause a company to strike..

Part of the leverage the work force has is the ability to strike..

When a group strikes and someone crosses the link, they make it that much harder on themselves and everyone else striking..

An analogy for you..

It'd be sorta like.. If you tried to prevent that FO/CA from raping the little girl in the lav and someone prevented you from keeping the girl from getting raped.. The guy who stopped you.. is a scab...

Does that make sense?
 
Seggy said:
Ed, what do you say to those standing outside on the picket line? Don't THEY have mouths to feed? Kids to send through college? Bills to pay?
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No, scabs don't understand this.. because all a scab does is care about himself.. He never takes into consideration that - he is not the only one with bills to pay, mouths to feed, etc.. So, like many of the pro-scab guys in this thread have said "he does what he has to do..."
 
After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue.

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with.

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commision in the british army.

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.

A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)
 
Seggy said:
Ed, what do you say to those standing outside on the picket line? Don't THEY have mouths to feed? Kids to send through college? Bills to pay?
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If they were in a good situation financially or have a side job providing for their family I wouldn't care. If they were living paycheck to paycheck as I described and their family was starving as a result of the strike I would be saying they need to get a job.
 
Sprint100 said:
If they were in a good situation financially or have a side job providing for their family I wouldn't care. If they were living paycheck to paycheck as I described and their family was starving I would be saying they need to get a job.
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Cross the picket line and 'get a job'?

Or another type of job?
 
Sprint100 said:
If they were in a good situation financially or have a side job providing for their family I wouldn't care. If they were living paycheck to paycheck as I described and their family was starving as a result of the strike I would be saying they need to get a job.
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Nobody is saying that a striker can't work . . . just can't cross the picket line.
 
Good lord...

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Anyone who personally knows me knows that I'm a pretty level headed "big picture"/"Koombayah" type of guy.

Scab as my captain? Checklists only and you're dining alone.

My best friend in the world scabs and wants a job at Southernjets? Don't care, because if he was a real friend, he'd know better.

Even though the idea of associating with a scab makes me want to vomit in my mouth, the threat of being known as the guy who is associating with is even worse.

And I'm the warm and fuzzy kind of guy too. Imagine the radicals.
 
Seggy said:
Cross the picket line and 'get a job'?

Or another type of job?
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Anyway they can provide for their family, which includes crossing that picket line if that is all they could do and the only option they have. I always feel that it is a man's first responsibility to provide for his immediate family in a legal way. If you've saved up or have a side gig to sit through a strike all is good, but if you put yourself and your family in that situation where all you can do is cross that picket line, then you are definitely reaping what you've sown considering the amount of flack you'll get.
 
That's neat, but if you want a stable flow of income to provide for your family, don't go into aviation.

The aviation business is volatile for a variety of reasons and the same things like schedule and pay that may attract one to the airline business were hardfought by men that struck.

It wasn't because management thought we were swell and appreciated our dedication. Don't let the Skybus hype fool ya! ;)
 
I think all the pro-scab guys in this thread need to go ahead and get it over with..

Give us your name and airlines you have/will applied to..

You can get the scab treatment from day 1.. ;)
 
Yeah I wish this thread would end already.

How about a truce? Everyone agrees family is #1. Ed, et al - there will always be a job at Home Depot or slinging a hammer while the strike is on. So no worries, you can supply your family with money and not cross the line :) There are other ways.
 
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