Possible new FAA duty time rules...

BajtheJino said:
Well, if it now takes four pilot to the do the job of two where is the airline supposed to get the money to keep wages the same? If there is no new work there is no more income than there was before. Now if I'm limited to 12 hours a day vs the 16 I was theres now going to be two crews doing the 13 hour duty day I was doing. The sort is not going to change.
So to recap, no new income, four pilot now instead of two, pay is going to go down to cover new salaries.
If I'm missing something here please point it out.
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So then you're telling me all these companies are going to go against the negotiated pay rates and begin paying their crews 75% (or some other arbitrary number that equals less than current negotiated rates) of the negotiated rates?

When and how are the wages going to decrease for the individual pilot? If the company requires more supply of pilots, thus an increased demand, then the negotiating capital will not be in the hands of management. They won't be able to dictate the terms (thankfully this isn't McCain-Lott Baseball Arbitration world) an employee is to work under. Wages will continue to be negotiated, and will likely increase just as they have in every instance with exception of bankruptcy court judgments.
 
ppragman said:
I hope it doesn't go through in 135, I need my 14hr day to block 8hrs sometimes, and a shorter day would mean a lot of money out of my pocket. Screw that.
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Well the days of 16-18 days off for us RJ pilots will also come to an end. Don't think we don't have something to lose. But 12 hours max duty sounds about right to me.
 
ppragman said:
Good gawd, 16-18 days off? How do I bid that sched?
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You'll need to do an RJ transition course for 5k.

Go back in time five years.

Apply to the companies you know have yet to furlough anyone from the DOH you'll be selected for.

Then, well, you build seniority, and bid it.

Bingo! :sarcasm:
 
wheelsup said:
Well the days of 16-18 days off for us RJ pilots will also come to an end. Don't think we don't have something to lose. But 12 hours max duty sounds about right to me.
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Man...I only average 10 - 12 days off. ...and they still try to bug me on those days.
 
surreal1221 said:
So then you're telling me all these companies are going to go against the negotiated pay rates and begin paying their crews 75% (or some other arbitrary number that equals less than current negotiated rates) of the negotiated rates?

When and how are the wages going to decrease for the individual pilot? If the company requires more supply of pilots, thus an increased demand, then the negotiating capital will not be in the hands of management. They won't be able to dictate the terms (thankfully this isn't McCain-Lott Baseball Arbitration world) an employee is to work under. Wages will continue to be negotiated, and will likely increase just as they have in every instance with exception of bankruptcy court judgments.
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Well, for the companies that have negotiated rates there will continue to be mass furloughs. What have the trends been post 9/11 for pay? Down, right? And why is that with more and more people flying?
Most of the companies that fly freight do not have contracts. How many 135's have contracts? Pay in the 135/121 freight world will go down with an increase in required crew members.
Pay in 121 pax, if this passes, will never go up-though the cost of living will. Its a no brainer.
 
The original post is wrong on a few counts, but it's pretty close to what is being finalized by the ARC. The change will probably result in neutral staffing for the majors, and possibly a need for slightly more staffing at the regionals. Pay shouldn't be affected in most cases, but days off might be negatively affected to a certain degree. Depends on what you have in your contract.

Overall, the changes are going to be great, IMO. ALPA has pushed really hard on this, and 7 members of the ARC are ALPA representatives. ALPA is basically getting to write the new rules. What a difference a new President can make.
 
To Baj and the others who are vehemently against these changes, let me remind you these changes are being made for safety reasons. Am I prepared for negative affects in my pay and days off? Yes. Will it likely negatively affect the regional airlines? Yes. Will it allow us pilots to be more alert while operating our complex aircraft in a overloaded air traffic control system? Yes.

The important thing here is making strides to allow pilots to get better rest and relaxation. In the short-term, we may see negative affects of these changes to our quality of life. Long-term, we are going to see major improvements in our day-to-day lives. Personally, I want to live better, healthier, and safer. I don't want to be tired or fatigued while attempting to safely move people across the country. I want rules in place to protect me, so I can live a healthier lifestyle as a professional pilot.

I applaud these changes. Hopefully the rest and duty rule changes are first in a long line of improvements that can be made to this industry.
 
FlyChicaga said:
To Baj and the others who are vehemently against these changes, let me remind you these changes are being made for safety reasons. Am I prepared for negative affects in my pay and days off? Yes. Will it likely negatively affect the regional airlines? Yes. Will it allow us pilots to be more alert while operating our complex aircraft in a overloaded air traffic control system? Yes.
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Heres the problem. No one at my airline really wants this. We're not over worked or overly tired. A one size fits all approach is not the right thing to do here. I fly 2.5 hrs a day with an average of 13 hrs off M-F. I feel fine. Sure its the wrong side of the clock but I'm not complaining. I get 8 weeks of vacation this year. I don't want duty times to change. I don't want to work longer or make less. This is just pandering by politicians. If this was really a problem our system would not be as safe as it is and this problem would have been addressed and studied more than it has been.

FlyChicaga said:
The important thing here is making strides to allow pilots to get better rest and relaxation. In the short-term, we may see negative affects of these changes to our quality of life. Long-term, we are going to see major improvements in our day-to-day lives. Personally, I want to live better, healthier, and safer. I don't want to be tired or fatigued while attempting to safely move people across the country. I want rules in place to protect me, so I can live a healthier lifestyle as a professional pilot.
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Major improvements? Like what, having to get a second job to support a family. No more Directv NFL ticket, gallon wine instead of a bottle of Pinot Noir? How is making less money and working more days off going to do this?

FlyChicaga said:
To Baj and the others who are vehemently against these changes
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But I guess we need to go back to your original assumption-I'm not vehemently opposed to this. I'm not too wild about the fast track its on or how this seems to be completely guided by a union that many,many pilots do not belong to. I also do not drink as much koolaid as some members here do and was just interested in some spirited debate which sometimes seems to be unable anytime its union related.
 
wheelsup said:
And I'm going on 5th year pay as an F/O...we all make our choices ;).
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Well then...I'm happy with my choice. I hope you are too. I like my choice so much, I still answer my phone on my days off when I get that special ringtone from crew scheduling.
 
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