pilotlight
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well it appears according to our c.p, we will start to do a small amount of hiring septemberish. Looks like only a handful of guys a month. They are putting together a training department soon.
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kellwolf
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Rumor I heard was class of 6 in August, but it looks like all people that are already working here in other departments. Look out, here comes the "unplanned absences" excuse for the short staffing in crew scheduling!
As for the training dept.....soon? They need to do that like yesterday. I doubt they've even thought about all the MEM check airmen that are gonna have to go back to the sims or do interviews.
SpiraMirabilis
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Robbing peter to pay paul? That's always the sign of a healthy company 
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Robbing peter to pay paul? That's always the sign of a healthy company
Sign of day to day operations here. How do you think they staffed the -200? Understaffed the -900.
pilotlight
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kab32283
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When did they staff the 200?
That's an oxymoron! :laff:
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
When did they staff the 200?
I didn't say it was properly staffed.
Management will say it, though. It's all those darned unplanned absences causing them to extend people and junior man them 4 to 5 days in advance.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
Properly staffed is a "tip of the spear" situation here. Very often they are understaffed or (rarely) overstaffed and talk of furlough. Since it's cheaper to NOT hire, the penny pinchers keep things on the short side, with "worst case" being properly staffed. Never compromise savings.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Hell, we're UNDERSTAFFED and they still toss out the "f" word. I hear it at least once a month or so from management in some way shape or form. The latest one was saying something to the tune of they don't want to hire just to furlough, yet they say we're going back to Spring levels of flying in the Fall. Newsflash, geniuses. We were short in the Spring, and at this rate we'll have no FOs and only half our CAs legal to fly in December.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
My greatest fear is that management has screwed the pooch so badly we fall bellow Delta's targets and get "Freedoomed." If that happens, you and I will be out of our jobs, but the management boys will just strut over to Colgan and keep trucking on.
SpiraMirabilis
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Freedoomed that is good.
pilotlight
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Which is why Scope is THE most important item on TA #2 for me. We win together, we lose together.
You are right about Delta, we are already halfway there i believe. Our numbers stink and no one cares, its a bad combination. The thing is this time is that Delta is not dealing with 22 planes, they are dealing with 126 planes, but they own all of them so they could easily be parked or placed at another carrier. Our track record shows that we do not slow down or do work stoppages or fly safe operations, thats a whole other debate but what it does prove is that if it happens, it is not our doing.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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The scope you had in TA1 was already industry-leading. I don't think you can expect much in the way of improvements over that.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Yeah, I was happy with the scope in TA1. Work rules (especially for reserve)? Not so much.
pilotlight
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Do you call Colgan being able to fly for delta without a merged seniority list industry leading? Its written right in the TA To me that is very far from industry leading and if its written, its bound to happen. Thats why i feel for the mesaba guys because i think this no props thing is a joke.
and I quote:
If Holdings maintains control of Colgan and Colgan acquires turbojet aircraft,
or, if Colgan enters into a service agreement with Delta Air Lines and, as a
result of the flying performed by Colgan pursuant to its Delta service
agreement, the number of aircraft operated by Pinnacle pursuant to its Delta
service agreement decreases by five (5) or more aircraft (either in one (1)
or, if Colgan enters into a service agreement with Delta Air Lines and, as a
result of the flying performed by Colgan pursuant to its Delta service
agreement, the number of aircraft operated by Pinnacle pursuant to its Delta
service agreement decreases by five (5) or more aircraft (either in one (1)
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reduction or as the cumulative result of multiple reductions) and such aircraft
are not reallocated to other flying pursuant to a service agreement with
another air carrier with a duration of one (1) year or longer, then, upon
written request by the Association following concurrence of the Pinnacle and
Colgan MECs and except as provided in paragraph 6, below, Pinnacle and
Colgan shall be merged as provided in Section 1.E.1 of the Agreement.are not reallocated to other flying pursuant to a service agreement with
another air carrier with a duration of one (1) year or longer, then, upon
written request by the Association following concurrence of the Pinnacle and
Colgan MECs and except as provided in paragraph 6, below, Pinnacle and
I interpret this as, we are going to wait until it happens, then we are going to fight it. Also, they could easily spin the as a result of the flying colgan does part to be as a result of something else. My point is, the lists should be merged no matter what.
higney85
Property of Scheduling
It has already been improved in TA #2 protecting against successorship, mergers, acquisitions, fragmentation, and integration. We can't help but learn from Midwest's unfortunate situation, Blowjets, and the changing of the currents among the management teams. You can't tie the hands of mgmt and make their job impossible to get more flying, but it's Scope that ensures that the freedom to run a business ensures that the pilots flying them are the same pilots enabling them.
A contract is 3 parts IMHO:
1. Security (scope and healthcare)
2. QOL (scheduling)
3. Compensation (pay, per-diem, retirement)
It just takes hundreds of pages and 31 sections to describe it all.
pilotlight
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From my calculations (which have been known to be way wrong) it looks like in september we have about 44ish daily departures between JFK and LGA per day. If one crew did 2 out and backs per day thats about 10 crews or 20 pilots that will be somewhere around manhattan each day.
JFK - bos, dca, yul, cle, yyz, buf, syr, btv, bwi, rdu, ind, pit, ord (makes no sense) ric, phl, alb cmh at peak 23 daily departures
LGA - chs, ric, orf, sav, trs, avl, ric, bgr, lwb, lex, cae, gsp, grr, pwm, yhz, 21 daily at peak
The problem is that that will only work one day out of 7 in nyc. We have no spare planes, no reserves.
There needs to be a base opened. It requires 60 days notice i believe to open a base with a vanancy. That 60 days is July 7th which is rapidly approaching. There was a rumor that Pinnacle management was spotted in JFK looking at space, but not sure if that was true or not. Either way, if there is a New york Base, the transfering between the two would be a mess, but if they don't do that and continue to flow through like we are doing now, then we will be done by the end of the year and then you all can fight for our scraps.
This is new york, not indianapolis
JFK - bos, dca, yul, cle, yyz, buf, syr, btv, bwi, rdu, ind, pit, ord (makes no sense) ric, phl, alb cmh at peak 23 daily departures
LGA - chs, ric, orf, sav, trs, avl, ric, bgr, lwb, lex, cae, gsp, grr, pwm, yhz, 21 daily at peak
The problem is that that will only work one day out of 7 in nyc. We have no spare planes, no reserves.
There needs to be a base opened. It requires 60 days notice i believe to open a base with a vanancy. That 60 days is July 7th which is rapidly approaching. There was a rumor that Pinnacle management was spotted in JFK looking at space, but not sure if that was true or not. Either way, if there is a New york Base, the transfering between the two would be a mess, but if they don't do that and continue to flow through like we are doing now, then we will be done by the end of the year and then you all can fight for our scraps.
This is new york, not indianapolis