Oh Alaska/Boeing
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Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Except it was causal in two fatal accidents killing a few hundred people. There was no guidance from Boeing laying out MCAS to be disseminated to crews and airlines, AND the airplane was allowed to be purchased in such a configuration that a single AOA failure could cause this issue, and it happened TWICE.
Yep, nothing criminal there...
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
More likely some individual who was about to be outed rather than the company.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
If this was the case, that’s bad headwork. These days, the Feds would hand you the world for you to rat out your buddies. You’d skate with a hand slap, and then you’d make a couple mil from the book you had ghost written and make $50k per on the speaking tour.
roundout
VNAV monitor
Cc is actually correct that by the time the second one happened, everyone knew what MCAS was. Still, reacting appropriately to a startle event in which the airplane repeatedly tries to kill itself after having read a memo for “training”…. Yeah.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Knowing what MCAS is, and knowing how MCAS was integrated and the single AOA correlation, are two different things.
roundout
VNAV monitor
Agree, that was kind of my point. The second crew didn’t stand much better odds than the first, and they shouldn’t have had to.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It’s irrelevant about the single AOA correlation. After Lion Air, the safety alert to MAX operators told the world what MCAS was, and how to deactivate it.
I’ve only seen two speeds of the stab trim wheel spinning. Regular (flaps up) and quicker (flaps 1 or greater). Seeing MCAS activate the stab trim wheel in the sim, it was blazing fast. It was obvious that this was not regular or quicker movement one should be accustomed to in the 737.
Bottom line is, the 737 is a AP off, AT off plane when SHTF. It’s a good plane but it requires actual flying skill. The A320 family is far more designed for the low timer and the button pushing crowd. And even that has consequences (eg, Air Asia).
Boeing should have recognized who they were selling to. Airbus already knew.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
He was a different whislteblower than the MAX:
“A 32-year veteran of Boeing, Barnett’s 2019 whistleblower allegations claimed that overworked employees at its South Carolina plant frequently fitted substandard parts on planes and reported faulty oxygen systems that could result in as many as 1 in 4 oxygen masks not operating properly.”
Oh Boeing.
The smoke filled back room:
“Wrong guy, but he’ll do for now anyway. He was a pain in the ass we also wanted gone….”
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
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Lawman
Well-Known Member
You and I both spent enough time doing similar military readiness/quality inspections to know that’s probably more that case than the criticism that headline makes it out to be.
I just finished an accident investigation for a non Boeing product and a lot the common criticisms levied at Boeing would fit right along with findings on this company. We’ve put an unbelievable number of Shadows into the dirt, it just didn’t kill anybody so nobody talks about it.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Nah. Sensationalist journalism. Have you noticed that *literally* any divert involving a Boeing is making front page news?
I’d like to know what exactly those failed audit portions were for. Those 33 could be serious issues or extremely minor in the process.
All I know is the media is hounding on anything Boeing, for views and ratings.
KLB
Well-Known Member
You really are trying to be the antagonist on here just to seek attention aren't you? You really need to go find some hobbies.
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
Boeing doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Sorry.
This is far beyond “it happens at other manufacturers” territory. There is a systemic rot at Boeing that they seem wholly incapable of stopping.
They’re reaping the rewards of literal decades of incompetence. There was a period of time when Boeing diverted 92% of its cash flow to stock buy-backs. Perhaps they wouldn’t have fallen so far behind Airbus if they focused more on engineering and manufacturing and less on boosting their share price.
You aren’t arguing in good faith comparing Boeing’s plight to other manufacturers. The same top-down systemic rot just doesn’t exist on this level at Embraer or Airbus, etc.