Oh Alaska/Boeing

ZapBrannigan said:
That's how SWA wanted them. I believe they finally switched over to a normal PFD ND around 2013 when they started using VNAV. Took several more years to go from the single cue to the dual cue flight director.

Don't know what to tell ya. Takes a lot of ocean to turn the Titanic. Our NGs still don't have the fuel totalizer turned on.
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Seriously, I thought someone had photoshopped that and was yanking our collective chains.

Apparently it is true, all I can say is, wow. They didn't even do a good job of it. It's like MS flight sim, but from 1986.

Looks at ticket, says DC-9, flies MD-95 just fine.....

Apparently, if you go from more switches to less, it works pretty well.
 
I learned on single cue but much prefer using dual cue after making the switch. Actually my preference is path based FPV over synthetic vision but being at an airline beggars can't be choosers.

Richman said:
Seriously, I thought someone had photoshopped that and was yanking our collective chains.

It's is true, then I all I can say is, wow.

Looks at ticket, says DC-9, flies MD-95 just fine.....
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Quick question, did any operator fly the DC-9/MD-80/717 as a common fleet? Or were they all segregated?
 
NovemberEcho said:
I don’t think Boeing has QA anymore. Loose bolts on plug doors found on at least 5 aircraft so far.

theaircurrent.com

United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections

United Airlines has found loose bolts and other parts on 737 Max 9 plug doors as it inspects its fleet of Boeing jets following the Friday rapid depressurization aboard an Alaska Airlines jet of the same make, according to three people familiar with the findings.
theaircurrent.com theaircurrent.com
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Pretty sure they hired this guy for QA.
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Roger Roger said:
MFW “righty tighty” turns into “righty loosey”
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Sounds you need to get your wrist recalibrated. You should do some annuals for your airplane owning buddies.
 
arkflyr said:
I learned on single cue but much prefer using dual cue after making the switch. Actually my preference is path based FPV over synthetic vision but being at an airline beggars can't be choosers.



Quick question, did any operator fly the DC-9/MD-80/717 as a common fleet? Or were they all segregated?
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I think AirTran flew both, but not as a common fleet. Having flown both, it would have been sub-optimal, but doable.
 
If memory serves me correct…SWA wasn’t the only one, Continental had the “steam gauge” set up on their 737-700/800’s.

Fun fact…Eastern wanted Boeing to build their 757’s with steam gauges (ala, 727) and not the “fancy” avionics. That was until Boeing said “ok, you pay for the re-certification on it”
 
SurferLucas said:
If memory serves me correct…SWA wasn’t the only one, Continental had the “steam gauge” set up on their 737-700/800’s.

Fun fact…Eastern wanted Boeing to build their 757’s with steam gauges (ala, 727) and not the “fancy” avionics. That was until Boeing said “ok, you pay for the re-certification on it”
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Other fun fact, Mickey D's was going to offer the MD-95 with the MD-88 cockpit.
 
Richman said:
I think AirTran flew both, but not as a common fleet. Having flown both, it would have been sub-optimal, but doable.
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Pretty sure they kept them separate and so did TWA when they had all three. Not sure about Midwest and how they managed them, didn't Delta keep them segregated also? Kinda negates the common type thing if you can't run the same crews on them. I know United back in the day segregated the 737-200 from the 300/500s, and I think Delta did with thiers as well.

Crazy to think about all the heartburn these things caused ALPA back in the day over crew compliment. DC9-10 two pilots no problem, Delta says all good for the -30, but the 737-100/200 needs a FE until PI passes a side letter to fly it with two pilots then ALPA takes a strike at Wien to keep the engineer on it. What an absolute nightmare that must have been to navigate. Though that whole FE thing for ALPA was a mess, I have friends whose dads started as "haircut checkers" for TWA in the 60's.
 
arkflyr said:
Crazy to think about all the heartburn these things caused ALPA back in the day over crew compliment. DC9-10 two pilots no problem, Delta says all good for the -30, but the 737-100/200 needs a FE until PI passes a side letter to fly it with two pilots then ALPA takes a strike at Wien to keep the engineer on it. What an absolute nightmare that must have been to navigate. Though that whole FE thing for ALPA was a mess, I have friends whose dads started as "haircut checkers" for TWA in the 60's.
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I guess an airline called Ansett Australia ordered 767s with full FE panels for similar Union issues.

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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/yz5144/ansett_airlines_boeing_767200_with_a_3_person/
 
arkflyr said:
Pretty sure they kept them separate and so did TWA when they had all three. Not sure about Midwest and how they managed them, didn't Delta keep them segregated also? Kinda negates the common type thing if you can't run the same crews on them. I know United back in the day segregated the 737-200 from the 300/500s, and I think Delta did with thiers as well.

Crazy to think about all the heartburn these things caused ALPA back in the day over crew compliment. DC9-10 two pilots no problem, Delta says all good for the -30, but the 737-100/200 needs a FE until PI passes a side letter to fly it with two pilots then ALPA takes a strike at Wien to keep the engineer on it. What an absolute nightmare that must have been to navigate. Though that whole FE thing for ALPA was a mess, I have friends whose dads started as "haircut checkers" for TWA in the 60's.
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Conceivably, we will have a repeat of this in the next 20 years.
 
SurferLucas said:
If memory serves me correct…SWA wasn’t the only one, Continental had the “steam gauge” set up on their 737-700/800’s.

Fun fact…Eastern wanted Boeing to build their 757’s with steam gauges (ala, 727) and not the “fancy” avionics. That was until Boeing said “ok, you pay for the re-certification on it”
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Oooh, I know this one. I did the ATOPS 737 weekend camp at Continental back in 2010 and they had the gauged instruments superimposed on the PFD. Screengrab from a video I took ...

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SurferLucas said:
If memory serves me correct…SWA wasn’t the only one, Continental had the “steam gauge” set up on their 737-700/800’s.

Fun fact…Eastern wanted Boeing to build their 757’s with steam gauges (ala, 727) and not the “fancy” avionics. That was until Boeing said “ok, you pay for the re-certification on it”
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UPS has manual seats in the 75's and 76's. Have heard they specifically asked Boeing to downgrade the seats from electric. Not sure if that's an urban legend but I always saw electric seats when jumpseating offline on the type.
 
UPS went from the classic 75 and 76 cockpit displays to the new LDS (large display system) where you have three huge CRT screens. Single cue to dual cue F/D's, airspeed and altitude tapes vs round dials, speed vectors, all kinds of weird new stuff. They wanted it to be a home study and one leg with a check airman. Union got involved and we all got a couple hours in the sim.
 
inigo88 said:
I guess an airline called Ansett Australia ordered 767s with full FE panels for similar Union issues.

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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/yz5144/ansett_airlines_boeing_767200_with_a_3_person/
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Out of curiosity I looked up the TCDS expecting to see a note about SN X through Y equipped with a FE station and three crew required, but it isn't there. Then again, the TCDS was last revised in 2016 and the type is 40 years old, so it might have been there in one of the early versions of the TCDS and now supercedeed that those hulls have been converted to a crew flight deck.
 
arkflyr said:
I learned on single cue but much prefer using dual cue after making the switch. Actually my preference is path based FPV over synthetic vision but being at an airline beggars can't be choosers.



Quick question, did any operator fly the DC-9/MD-80/717 as a common fleet? Or were they all segregated?
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We’ve got path-based FPV on the Canabus, and it took a little bit of getting used to - especially with the accel/decel cues - but once I got my head wrapped around it I liked it. Made it a lot easier to learn to feel the airplane with the ATs turned off.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Please don’t take one pilots view to be, this is how the airline is. The Airbus had something similar. I’m shocked someone is signed off flying a 121 jet as PIC who doesn’t know what portion of the cockpit is the blowout portion.


That’s the real “Wow” here.
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:rolleyes:
 
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