Northwest Overshoot / Cert Action....
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wheelsup
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Yeah but they were out of radio contact for over an hour...it wasn't just that last 20 mins of time after the airport.
Good thing they didn't run out of gas, this really could've been an absolute disaster.
Yeah but they were out of radio contact for over an hour...it wasn't just that last 20 mins of time after the airport.
Good thing they didn't run out of gas, this really could've been an absolute disaster.
1B9Pilot
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Yeah it has been a wierd week for DL/NWA
LOL!They probably weren't very familiar with MSP - hadn't flown in there much.
Yeah it has been a wierd week for DL/NWA
gne in prog
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USMCmech
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I dare say it has happened to every pilot at one point or another. Comfortable chair, warm temps, full belly, quiet frequency, zzzzz.
I recall one pilot in a light twin who flew 2 hours into the Gulf of Mexico and woke up with 1 hour of fuel remaining.
I dare say it has happened to every pilot at one point or another. Comfortable chair, warm temps, full belly, quiet frequency, zzzzz.
I recall one pilot in a light twin who flew 2 hours into the Gulf of Mexico and woke up with 1 hour of fuel remaining.
Lee D
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Hmmm I did not know that.
Like I said I'm not weighing all the variables & I figured it was not as simple as that, but if they were chatting up a storm for the hour previous to arrival and had little speed restrictions in the decent, and throw in a few other links in a chain for the incident. . . . I'm saying maybe it could happen the way they said it did.
Alright I better stop speculating, I know better.
Either way, glad everyone is OK.
Hmmm I did not know that.
Like I said I'm not weighing all the variables & I figured it was not as simple as that, but if they were chatting up a storm for the hour previous to arrival and had little speed restrictions in the decent, and throw in a few other links in a chain for the incident. . . . I'm saying maybe it could happen the way they said it did.
Alright I better stop speculating, I know better.
Either way, glad everyone is OK.
SpiraMirabilis
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Thats an hour to think about how much this is going to suck.
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It would be breaking news on every channel, all regionals would be grounded, and all regional FO's would be waterboarded to see if they ever flew fatigued, tired, drowsy etc...
It would be breaking news on every channel, all regionals would be grounded, and all regional FO's would be waterboarded to see if they ever flew fatigued, tired, drowsy etc...
wheelsup
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Well obviously these pilots were hired directly from a commuter and were not former military pilots.
It would be breaking news on every channel, all regionals would be grounded, and all regional FO's would be waterboarded to see if they ever flew fatigued, tired, drowsy etc...
Well obviously these pilots were hired directly from a commuter and were not former military pilots.
juan valdez
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Also funny how the MSN article quotes a passenger as saying "the plane was swarmed with police" and then like two paragraphs later says 2 police officers came on board. :whatever:
Article on MSN says no one was launched.
Also funny how the MSN article quotes a passenger as saying "the plane was swarmed with police" and then like two paragraphs later says 2 police officers came on board. :whatever:
Trip7
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I also agree that if "Connection" had been written on the side of the plane this thread would be 8 pages discussing low timers and the lack of professionalism in regional cockpits. Now we got 2 incidents involving highly experienced mainline crews and nobody knows what to say because they can't throw the blame at low pay or inexperience.
Dare I say it, maybe the last two incidents should be an eye opener towards the TRUE safety threat in the industry, FATIGUE.
Its been said that being fatigued is much like being drunk.
Maybe Capt Renslow truly did know how to recover from a stall but was too fatigued to react correctly.
Maybe the Delta pilots truly did know to land on a runway but were too fatigued to do so
Maybe the DeltaWest pilots tried to stay awake but were too fatigued to do so.
I also agree that if "Connection" had been written on the side of the plane this thread would be 8 pages discussing low timers and the lack of professionalism in regional cockpits. Now we got 2 incidents involving highly experienced mainline crews and nobody knows what to say because they can't throw the blame at low pay or inexperience.
Dare I say it, maybe the last two incidents should be an eye opener towards the TRUE safety threat in the industry, FATIGUE.
Its been said that being fatigued is much like being drunk.
Maybe Capt Renslow truly did know how to recover from a stall but was too fatigued to react correctly.
Maybe the Delta pilots truly did know to land on a runway but were too fatigued to do so
Maybe the DeltaWest pilots tried to stay awake but were too fatigued to do so.
Xcaliber
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One quick side topic that I thought about when I first read the report...
I thought CVR's weren't allowed to be used for punitive measures. Since nothing and nobody was damaged during this flight, can the NTSB/company legally remove those and listen to them? Or is that just a contract deal through the unions to protect pilots from the company? What are the rules regarding those things?
Maybe another side topic, too. What authority does the NTSB have in a case like this, anyways? I can understand why the company and the FAA can do their own investigation, but I was under the impression that the NTSB doesn't get involved unless some metal is bent, or until a certificate action appeal.
One quick side topic that I thought about when I first read the report...
I thought CVR's weren't allowed to be used for punitive measures. Since nothing and nobody was damaged during this flight, can the NTSB/company legally remove those and listen to them? Or is that just a contract deal through the unions to protect pilots from the company? What are the rules regarding those things?
Maybe another side topic, too. What authority does the NTSB have in a case like this, anyways? I can understand why the company and the FAA can do their own investigation, but I was under the impression that the NTSB doesn't get involved unless some metal is bent, or until a certificate action appeal.
Sol Rosenburg
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In my work its very easy to snooze off when its smooth. Anybody ever heard the mention of crew alerters like they have installed in train locos that sound every few minutes or seconds?
In my work its very easy to snooze off when its smooth. Anybody ever heard the mention of crew alerters like they have installed in train locos that sound every few minutes or seconds?
RICHARD5
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It would tick me off to wake up to find the other was napping. :dunno:
heh heh That reminds me...they weren't sleeping but a friend of mine on a dual instruction flight with his CFI...the twin landed itself...each thought the other had the controls.
It would tick me off to wake up to find the other was napping. :dunno: