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jynxyjoe
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Cruise
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Um.....I'm no kid and I'm certainly not 'reading' into things. You just don't know what you're talking about. Just let it go.......good luck at Eagle, you're gonna need it. :whatever:
Cruise
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Bumblebee
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Whatever
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kellwolf
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On last thing on PCL. Yeah, they WOULD park Colgan planes to cover PCL flying if it was more lucrative. I point you to our new Delta flying. We can't staff the NWA flying in the summer, but they plan to staff the Delta stuff at 5 crews per plane. Where are they gonna get them? They'll CX NWA flights and pay the penalties just like they've been doing for the past year. They want to try to get more Delta flying, and the way to do that is to have a stellar record with the -900s. The NWA flying suffers b/c of staffing while the Delta stuff has people sitting around on reserve. If the US Air, United and CAL contracts have a guaranteed income like the NWA flying does, they're at risk to be cherry picked for the most lucrative routes. Never say never with this company.
As far as ignoring things in our FOM, there are a LOT of cases where the FOM is contradictory to not only the union contract, but also ITSELF. We had a passenger issues, and the FOM said to do one thing while the FAM said something else. The question is, which of the FAA approved procedures do you disregard?
As far as ignoring things in our FOM, there are a LOT of cases where the FOM is contradictory to not only the union contract, but also ITSELF. We had a passenger issues, and the FOM said to do one thing while the FAM said something else. The question is, which of the FAA approved procedures do you disregard?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Airdale
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Agree with your post, disagree with the highlighted statement. The Regionals have always flown FOR the Majors. The flying that Mainline doesn't want, or that Mainline pilots refuse to operate (referring to number of seats) gets outsourced. I don't believe that ANY Regional undercuts the Majors. Thats impossible because the MAJORS supply the flying to be done and take bids from the cestpool of Regionals.
Regionals undercut other Regionals and Majors undercut other Majors. And while we're on this topic of Majors, just what classifies a company as a Major? Because according to APC, Expressjet, Pinnacle and RAH are considered Majors. Maybe the better term is "Legacy" carriers.
ZWflyer
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IMO, unitl you fly airplanes in YOUR colors with YOUR name on the side....you're not a major. Oh, and it has to have more than 50 seats too (sorry XJT
).Nah, Southwest and others aren't legacies...but they are definitely majors.
Bumblebee
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so we are a major regional
WAFlyBoy
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Perhaps Southwest is a "Next Generation" legacy? Or a "post-deregulation" legacy? Solvency should be a requirement for the "legacy" category. Declare bankruptcy and you get kicked back down to "major."
Seggy
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When I was growing up I used to take 727s, 737s, MD-80s, etc from NYC to BUF/ROC. 'Mega'regionals are a new concept. The 'regionals' used to fill the niche markets we fly like up to RKD/AUG/BHB.
OldTownPilot
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I made some posts in the "big sky is gone" thread about the transformation that BGR has gone through with the advent of the "whatever the hell you want to call them" airlines. Big Sky was the last thing that resembled a "commuter airline". We are at 10 flights a day, all on 50 seat RJs except for the 700 to ATL. There were 10 Mainline departures a day in the early 90s, plus hourly service to BOS and 5 flights to LGA on Business Express Saabs. 4 ATRs a day to EWR (on top of a 737), and CommutAir 1900s to BOS. Up here the Commuter flights have disappeared and all the mainline flights have been replaced by Regional jets.
I dont think I can paint a clearer picture of contract feed replacing Mainline traffic.
I took CO 737's to EWR, and DL MD80's to ATL as a kid from BGR. Sadly never to be seen at BGR again. (sans BOS diversions
)
I dont think I can paint a clearer picture of contract feed replacing Mainline traffic.
I took CO 737's to EWR, and DL MD80's to ATL as a kid from BGR. Sadly never to be seen at BGR again. (sans BOS diversions
)
Airdale
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I just think its funny when people complain about the "Regionals". Rather then look at it like a good thing, a lot of folks look at it as a bad thing. The industry is what it is. The Legacy carriers have sub contracted out routes that they don't want and aircraft that they don't want to fly. Its a positive thing. 20 years ago pilots couldn't start their careers flying what they do now. Regionals didn't steal anything or undercut anyone (except themselves). Its just the way the business is now. Commuter airlines are fading away to larger equipment. You wouldn't think you'd hear people b*tch about that. Pay, QOL etc. now thats something to b*tch about.
Airdale
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I dont think I can paint a clearer picture of contract feed replacing Mainline traffic.
I took CO 737's to EWR, and DL MD80's to ATL as a kid from BGR. Sadly never to be seen at BGR again. (sans BOS diversions
See thats the point I'm trying to make. Did the Regionals steal that flying from mainline? Did the Regionals undercut mainline by flying in there with the RJ's?
No and NO! Mainline made that decision. Mainline carriers have transformed the Regionals into what they are today. I find it so funny that some pilots would b*tch at companies like Comair, Xjet and Republic for flying larger aircraft that steal flying from mainline. Thats such a crock since all of their flying is FOR a mainline carrier. If anything, b*tch at the mainline carrier for pulling the larger aircraft off those routes. Like when an Airways pilot smirks at a guy flying a -700 or -900 or a E-175 because he *thinks* we're stealing a mainline route. Send your complaints to your company for contracting those routes!
OldTownPilot
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If the Regionals were not so damn cheap, and their pilots not on food stamps there would be a bit more incentive to have that flying on mainline aircraft.
Nick
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The way I see it, you mostly cancelled out the entire first section of your post with that last sentence.
The way the regional airlines have come about includes bad pay.
Routes they don't want is gradually going to turn in to almost any domestic 1-4 hour flight if scope were to be decreased another level. As it is, there are RJs flying from ATL to EWR, from JFK to ORD, from LAX to SEA. If that is flying that major airlines don't want, then what do they want? Scope matters.
I don't think pilots starting out their careers with 300-1000TT in an RJ is necessarily better than the days of the 80s and 90s where a 135 job in the middle was needed to get competitive.
Seggy
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Wow Dave, Wow.
I had a very interesting conversation yesterday with an American Airlines first officer. He has a much different take on this.
20 years ago pilots had to gain valuable flight experience flight instructing, working 135 freight, etc, before they even have the opportunity to fly a turbine power aircraft.
Larger equipment, like the E-170 should be flown by MAINLINE seniority numbers.
Air Canada does it. Why not others?
I had a very interesting conversation yesterday with an American Airlines first officer. He has a much different take on this.
20 years ago pilots had to gain valuable flight experience flight instructing, working 135 freight, etc, before they even have the opportunity to fly a turbine power aircraft.
Larger equipment, like the E-170 should be flown by MAINLINE seniority numbers.
Air Canada does it. Why not others?
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