just been reading through the posts here about ATP beeing more expensive than other places. most people who say "the FBO route is cheaper" don't take into consideration the multi hours you end up with when you are done with ATP, nor the fact that the CSEL is an add-on rating when your done. I went to ATP @ PHX, and finished with 233 total, of that, 135 was multi. take into account, that you GET A TON OF MULTI TIME. lets do some math. basic math.
figure on a seminole/dutchess at a typical rate of about $240 an hour, as that seems to be the average going rate around the country. some places more, some less. now lets do the average instructor at $45 an hour (a real bargin). and we'll figure on 135 hours in that multi-airplane, and 60 hours of dual given, because thats about what i ended up with, considering sim time, and air time. never mind the ground instruction i had, for things like passing the IRA, inst. procedures, and general knowledge, which a wild guess would actually end up beeing more like 120-150 (IRA ground school was 1 week for 6 hours a day). oh yeah, renting the sim too (and never mind all the free time i got to practice procedures) which was 40 hours worth and we'll go conservative at $65 an hour w/out instructor
$240x135= $32400
$45X60=$2700
$65x40=$2600
grand total w/out the books & jepps which are included**** $37,770.
Did i mention that this also includes the flight time needed for your commercial and MEI training and check rides? woops looks like i forgot those, oh well, because it's still cheaper than what you'd pay at an FBO. Thats what most people are forgetting here. they forget that the price includes the "other stuff" as well. so if you do the math, do ALL the math. ATP runs a great program, as long as you are a motivated, self-starter, not some punk kid with a bunch of money to burn. if you do what your told, and come prepared, it works well. I made it all the way through w/out busting a checkride. I had some of the hardest DPE's that phx could throw at me. I only had to discontinue one check ride because I let my nerves get to me, not because i didn't know the answers. they will give you the tools to succeed, you just have to use them and apply yourself. there are some bad apples there, they are at every school. but there is no reason why you can't make it on your own, with the help of room mates, other instructors, etc.
any comments/questions are welcome. if i can go from wrenching on cars at a dealership:crazy:, to flying airplanes for a living, than anyone can do it!
figure on a seminole/dutchess at a typical rate of about $240 an hour, as that seems to be the average going rate around the country. some places more, some less. now lets do the average instructor at $45 an hour (a real bargin). and we'll figure on 135 hours in that multi-airplane, and 60 hours of dual given, because thats about what i ended up with, considering sim time, and air time. never mind the ground instruction i had, for things like passing the IRA, inst. procedures, and general knowledge, which a wild guess would actually end up beeing more like 120-150 (IRA ground school was 1 week for 6 hours a day). oh yeah, renting the sim too (and never mind all the free time i got to practice procedures) which was 40 hours worth and we'll go conservative at $65 an hour w/out instructor
$240x135= $32400
$45X60=$2700
$65x40=$2600
grand total w/out the books & jepps which are included**** $37,770.
Did i mention that this also includes the flight time needed for your commercial and MEI training and check rides? woops looks like i forgot those, oh well, because it's still cheaper than what you'd pay at an FBO. Thats what most people are forgetting here. they forget that the price includes the "other stuff" as well. so if you do the math, do ALL the math. ATP runs a great program, as long as you are a motivated, self-starter, not some punk kid with a bunch of money to burn. if you do what your told, and come prepared, it works well. I made it all the way through w/out busting a checkride. I had some of the hardest DPE's that phx could throw at me. I only had to discontinue one check ride because I let my nerves get to me, not because i didn't know the answers. they will give you the tools to succeed, you just have to use them and apply yourself. there are some bad apples there, they are at every school. but there is no reason why you can't make it on your own, with the help of room mates, other instructors, etc.
any comments/questions are welcome. if i can go from wrenching on cars at a dealership:crazy:, to flying airplanes for a living, than anyone can do it!