Okay, you caught me, I had no idea what a p.68 was and had to look it up
Sorry if my posts sounded grumpy, they read that way but I wasn't when I wrote them.
" as for buying more multi time, do the hour break down when you dont have to buy more time. if i remember right, it works out to be about 170 an hour (for the instruction and x-countries averaged out). "
Are you talking about us at the FBO needing more total time to get all of our certificates? You are right that we do need build an extra 15 hours of pic twin time for the MEI that you already incurred, but we get around that by doing our CFII training in a twin and not a single. So the training for the II/MEI is in the twin which usually takes about 15 hours of training. I know ATP uses this method, like i said they don't have an inside track, it is just smart to do it this way so we all should.
Besides that 15 hours of pic time, I am not sure what else we would need that you already have. I could be missing something though.
oh, and Also, ATP has students do a private pilot add-on, that is something we don't have.
Also, we could get into the 141/61 debate. I know ATP is 61.
Under our 141 syllabus, we are able to to get a student Multi and single engine commercial instrument in 190 hours. Then they do their CFI. Then they do their II and MEI in the twin at 15 hours.
So I think part of your argument was that we don't double dip on somethings so that causes us to actually charge the student more money and time by having him in a single then making him sit in a twin when he could have just sat in a twin for one price. I think I have given examples that show that is not the case.
170 hours of x-c time?
I am not quite following the significance of 170 hours.
Also, do the instructors ride with the students on the cross countries?
That is what is sounds like I might be wrong but if they do I disagree with that practice for two reasons.
1. The student needs to build confidence and stand on his own two legs.
2. it is a whole lot of unnecessary money spent on dual received.
"when i walk into the FBO w/ a twin, and an MEI cert., i will be more likely to get the multi student than someone who walks in with the same certs., and only 30-50 ME time."
I had the exact opposite experience at my places.
They always went to the most senior flight instructor first and if he was busy then they would go to who ever was not busy. In fact the girl at my flight school that was a fast track grad never got one, to be fair she was only their for three months before she moved. (she didn't move because she got a flying job, but the hopes of one in a different state). You know come to think of it, she maybe was not an MEI. I don't remember that long ago, I just know if she would have gotten one i would have remembered since she was the noob.
"if we charged more, flight training would be out of reach of the common man."
I was thinking about this last night. The common man is already out of the picture. That is what I decided at least for my current location. All of my students that are leisure students are already filthy rich, they can afford it and most of the time expect to pay much more an hour for the instruction. The poor people I instruct, are the people just like me. I had loans and planned on making money back on this investment someday.
I think we are at a point that common poor pleasure flyers are out.
I am hopeful that LSA will become more popular though.
have a good morning.