NovemberEcho
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thats dumb.
Mid-air over Denver....
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thats dumb.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
I concur. Good thing I was in a STOL aircraft and just hovered over a landmark...
MidlifeFlyer
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Yet except for this unusual accident it works. The second frequency is to reduce workload when it is extra buy at this airport with over 300,000 annual operations.
It was my home base for 20 years. Even the first time I flew there I didn't think it was anything special. I've soloed students there. Plus, with one runway 3000' shorter than the other and offset, traffic tends to be vertically separated too. I think folks who don't fly in that environment have a skewed mental picture of what it's like.
A single controller juggling traffic in both runways on both runways would not have made a difference. The Cirrus, for whatever reason, was flying to fast and was in the process of overshooting both runways.
Beefy McGee
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Cirrus pilots gonna Cirrus pilot.
MidlifeFlyer
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Most Cirrus pilots I know are very good.
denverpilot
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Have to agree. When I first saw the news from APA and the color of the aircraft I immediately pinged another who owns a nearly identical aircraft. He’s a solid pilot. I wanted to know it wasn’t him.
Irony, he was there on the ramp and had flown down for the day in his from his local home airport and watched the whole thing go down. With his kid.
And I’m not even sure — on a better day — whoever was flying this one wouldn’t have done just fine.
He just flew too fast and overshot centerline. That’s really the bottom line.
I’ve done it (but not as far over — without a west wind!) in the 182. I’m not picking on the pilot here, I’m stating it as fact as someone else who’s done it at APA.
There’s other ways to mitigate it there (as Mark has said the threshold location differences usually provide a very small altitude cushion) but at the end of the day you just... can’t do it.
There’s just not enough room for that particular mistake.
NovemberEcho
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when I was around 20 hours or so I was on the downwind and tower cleared me to land, gave me traffic incoming on the parellel. I told tower “uh if it’s alright I’ll wait til he passes, I have a tendency to overshoot the centerline.” They were cool with it and it’s a good thing cause sure enough I overshot.
Fly_Unity
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I flown with him (Edit: the metro pilot) and messaged him this week. He is a top notch pilot, professional, a good stick and an all around cool guy. I believe he is also a member of JC. He has been meeting with the FAA.
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Minuteman
“Dongola”
I got all excited until I realized I had mis-remembered and it wasn't a Cirrus.
Edit: Nevermind, he appears to have gone all "masks are tyranny," "this politician is a RINO," and "here's my latest gun update!"
DE727UPS
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I'm not familiar with the ADSB-out traffic avoidance gizmo's other than what I've skimmed through on the Gleim CFI renewal. I'm sure the Metro didn't have squat but the Cirrus you would think probably would. I don't think those gizmo's have a voice RA like TCAS but does a target at least turn red or something we you get too close?
Roger Roger
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Probably used to hearing it all the time if they were a regular at APA
Minuteman
“Dongola”
I think the fact that both the Metroliner and the Cirrus were on the ADS-B tracking sites is a positive indication that they both had ADS-B. I.e., I don't think those sites show TIS (which is the only way to track law enforcement when they turn off their transponder, etc.).
What you're describing is "TCAS I" where traffic will be displayed and there is a tau envelope, but there is no coordinated resolution. I think anything that is ADS-B capable would have at least traffic alerting as a "freebie" if a display is available.
What you're describing is "TCAS I" where traffic will be displayed and there is a tau envelope, but there is no coordinated resolution. I think anything that is ADS-B capable would have at least traffic alerting as a "freebie" if a display is available.
deadstick
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I think that requires ADS-B *IN* to see traffic.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
At least they died doing what they lov...oh, shoot.
Roger Roger
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Oh I have slipped the surly bonds....
denverpilot
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Nah. Shooting is done on the other side of Arapahoe Road from APA at Centennial Gun Club. ;-) (On final for 17R.)
Flyinthrew
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That's because you weren't vapor-locked on the radio like most other 20 hour pilots.
FloridaLarry
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Way back in time, the Army decided I needed training at Fort Polk, LA. The on-post airfield was then served by Trans Texas DC-3s. Some wizard had decided to build rifle ranges surrounding the airfield.
When an incoming flight turned final, the trainees at the rifle ranges had to ground their weapons and step back until the aircraft departed. They didn't want a disgruntled soldier headed to Vietnam to bag himself a DC-3.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
There is an open-air shooting range 1000' feet from the departure end of runway 24 at my home airport. It's...interesting, sometimes....
Outdoor shooting ranges are common at military installations near their associated airfields. Nothing unusual at all. Granted, the firing directions are not in the direction of the runway or ramp areas at all, but the ranges themselves are commonly nearby.
