Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Shane Wiliams said:
Yes my supervisor was right there as well as the unit chief, I informed him that it was to check our primary radar, he complied, but was noticeably quite nervous, and yes Im ATC.
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You know how we check our primary radar here in the states? We look at known fixes with a radar return like an antennae tower? If the primary lines up with the obstruction, the primary radar is working correctly! I've never asked an aircraft I'm talking to to stop squawking and turn off their transponder. I've told people to stop altitude squawk if their mode c readout differed by more than 200 feet, but never just to become a primary target only...
 
genot said:
Just stop that right there OK. You're no more a controller than I am a gymnast. You've insulted members here who happen to have vast amounts of experience in many facets of aviation. You've been called out accordingly and now you're insulting my career field. There are several controllers in all specialties in more than one country here who can tell you exactly what happens when a pilot turns off their XPDR. SSR radar, plane vanishes, primary returns, still there albeit, no information unless the system tracks. Tower? I spy with my little eye. That's day one ATC stuff right there.

With asking to squawk standby, its much more "say again" and a whole lot less "you sure"?

You need to check primary? Check for the primary symbol. You NEVER needlessly degrade available information such as a secondary hit. Tell your unit chief hi for me. Maybe he'll get me an in into the sectors I work in real life.
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genot said:
Just stop that right there OK. You're no more a controller than I am a gymnast. You've insulted members here who happen to have vast amounts of experience in many facets of aviation. You've been called out accordingly and now you're insulting my career field. There are several controllers in all specialties in more than one country here who can tell you exactly what happens when a pilot turns off their XPDR. SSR radar, plane vanishes, primary returns, still there albeit, no information unless the system tracks. Tower? I spy with my little eye. That's day one ATC stuff right there.

With asking to squawk standby, its much more "say again" and a whole lot less "you sure"?

You need to check primary? Check for the primary symbol. You NEVER needlessly degrade available information such as a secondary hit. Tell your unit chief hi for me. Maybe he'll get me an in into the sectors I work in real life.
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Ok, out of respect I wont make any sarcastic comments however as I stated earlier it was check my primary, I have my reasons
 
RobertB said:
You know how we check our primary radar here in the states? We look at known fixes with a radar return like an antennae tower? If the primary lines up with the obstruction, the primary radar is working correctly! I've never asked an aircraft I'm talking to to stop squawking and turn off their transponder. I've told people to stop altitude squawk if their mode c readout differed by more than 200 feet, but never just to become a primary target only...
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And what
RobertB said:
You know how we check our primary radar here in the states? We look at known fixes with a radar return like an antennae tower? If the primary lines up with the obstruction, the primary radar is working correctly! I've never asked an aircraft I'm talking to to stop squawking and turn off their transponder. I've told people to stop altitude squawk if their mode c readout differed by more than 200 feet, but never just to become a primary target only...
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There aren't any test targets for our psr, only the ssr.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
There have been cases where I have seen a couple billion in gold (30,000 lbs) being transported on the widebodies. Not 10 billion, but that's still a lot of zeros and not without joking remarks of "I wonder if we can find an island to ditch this thing." Not serious, of course, but it's also a non-zero probability that someone might try.
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I was sitting on the jumpseat of a mad dog one day and just before push a dunbar armored truck pulled up. I forget the amount (in both weight and dollar signs) they wanted to put onboard. Whatever it was, was enough that they couldn't put in any of the cargo bins without putting the plane outside its CG range. For whatever reason they weren't allowed to put it in multiple bins, had to be all together. They tried pulling all the non revs off, that didn't work. In the end I got a seat in the back.

I had the idea of dividing it up evenly amongst the passengers as once it enters the cabin it "disappears" from weight and balance...I even offered to carry extra. But they couldn't make it work. In the end the non revs got left behind too...kinda poorly handled.
 
Shane Wiliams said:
And what

There aren't any test targets for our psr, only the ssr.
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You don't have any known obstructions to test your primary radar against their known location? I just wonder how the radar can possibly be considered "aligned" by using a moving target whose exact position isn't known. If a known primary radar return is off by like half a mile here, the radar isn't properly aligned and basically not deemed to be operationally safe.
 
Shane Wiliams said:
At least they are alive, if I were them I would be praying it isn't found
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Really.....230+ people are 'missing' and likely dead....And your wish is the a/c is never found. WoW, Just Wow... Not sure exactly what brought you here, but I can tell you, that regardless of the disagreements that occur here, that IS NOT what this place is about....

Check the attitude at the door !
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I was sitting on the jumpseat of a mad dog one day and just before push a dunbar armored truck pulled up. I forget the amount (in both weight and dollar signs) they wanted to put onboard. Whatever it was, was enough that they couldn't put in any of the cargo bins without putting the plane outside its CG range. For whatever reason they weren't allowed to put it in multiple bins, had to be all together. They tried pulling all the non revs off, that didn't work. In the end I got a seat in the back.

I had the idea of dividing it up evenly amongst the passengers as once it enters the cabin it "disappears" from weight and balance...I even offered to carry extra. But they couldn't make it work. In the end the non revs got left behind too...kinda poorly handled.
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How about this CH-47 Chinook helo, hauling a portion of a $2,401,600,000 pot of cash being shipped to a middle east destination to fund the war on terror.

[and to think....we still have homeless vets on the street and other here-in-America things we could use this cash for; but thats beside the point here]

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Shane Wiliams said:
At least they are alive, if I were them I would be praying it isn't found
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WTH? What makes you believe that it's a maintenance issue? And you really believe that anyone connected with this aircraft is praying that the aircraft is not found? On second, thought, don't tell me. I've had enough. Everything you have posted since you have joined here is utter crap. Seriously, what is wrong with you? Please stop posting this tripe while I still have an ounce of patience left.
 
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Shane Wiliams said:
At least they are alive, if I were them I would be praying it isn't found
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I'm just curious....what country do you ATC in?

Maybe it's too late in the evening, but giving the benefit of the doubt here and thought maybe other far away locales have vastly different rules?
 
MikeD said:
How about this CH-47 Chinook helo, hauling a portion of a $2,401,600,000 pot of cash being shipped to a middle east destination to fund the war on terror.

[and to think....we still have homeless vets on the street and other here-in-America things we could use this cash for; but thats beside the point here]

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I can verify that is exactly what they look like.....I see them every day at work.....
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
The way they went NORDO right at the FIR boundary handoff and shut off the transponder there...plus disabling the ACARS not long prior.... all scream that a human commandeered the aircraft. Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out one or both the pilots being said human. .
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To expand on this hypothetical for just a second; if........and I only mean if......this turns out to be something involving the crew; I could see the ramifications here in the USA being extreme. This would be the TSAs excuse and justification for the screening that pilots have been getting. I could see things like CrewPASS and other KCM measures disappearing, as this incident would "prove" that flightcrews need to be screened just like Joe SixPack pax, as well as be treated with a suspicious eye.

I would hope this hypothetical isn't even a possibility.
 
RobertB said:
You don't have any known obstructions to test your primary radar against their known location? I just wonder how the radar can possibly be considered "aligned" by using a moving target whose exact position isn't known. If a known primary radar return is off by like half a mile here, the radar isn't properly aligned and basically not deemed to be operationally safe.
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I was simply hoping to see a target alignment was the farthest thing from my mind
 
I clicked @Shane Wiliams profile and noticed the most peculiar thing.

He has a "like". 1 "like".

I'm too lazy to read back through all of his comments so I'll just ask in this post....

....WHO THE HELL LIKED THIS GUY!?!?!?

Shane Wiliams said:
At least they are alive, if I were them I would be praying it isn't found
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Perhaps your views and opinions should be kept to yourself from now on. I also propose that you leave the forum all together.
 
Shane Wiliams said:
Yall are a bunch of frauds, if I was the maintenance person for an aircraft that was missing(which im not) and speculation is running rife. Who amongst you would want to face the possibility of going to jail. I have never seen a pilot that messes up who isn't asking for a chance. Granted if the infraction is serious there is no escaping being written but they were times you let them go with a warning.
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Where is your humanity? If I worked on an aircraft that crashed I would not think "gee, hope they don't find it and throw me in jail for screwing up the maintenance".

I would do my job CORRECTLY, knowing that people's lives are at stake with the work I do. And god forbid a plane I worked on went down, I would hope they find the people. Or at least find the wreckage so we can learn from our mistakes.
 
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