Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

Even if the crew wanted to they probably couldn't think of disabling everything, and if they did crash they'd have no control of the ELT,FDR, or CVR.

Depending on the crash dynamics for the ELT. It may or may not get tripped. It may or may not have malfunctioned. And the CVR/FDR may be in an area the signals can't be received, or may not be activated if the aircraft is on land somewhere.

Too many unknowns right now. Am half-heartedly observing the circumstantial evidence, from the potential to the outright zany. Somewhere in there, am awaiting to have my ears perked up by factual evidence pointing to a particular direction.

Haven't come across any yet. Until then, I listen and observe, rather than babble pointlessly about far out theories....attempting to be passed as fact........ that have no evidentiary backing whatsover (but make great hourly soundbites), like so many talking heads have been in the media, in portions of industry, and yes, even on forums, have been doing.
 
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I believe Shane Wiliams was just being a troll with that comment, don't think he was serious.
Either way that would make a good movie. Our boy Denzel could be the Capt that whips everyone's ass in the end. Throw in some naked FAs, wait, have we seen that before? Who cares I'd watch it.
 
Curious. Given the circumstances of this week, does anyone see a downside to preventing transponders from being disabled on commercial aircraft?

Transponder malfunction resulting in multiple RAs? "stop squawk" is there for a reason, though I'm not sure if it gets used much.

Look, let's be completely frank here: trying to proof airplanes against the flight crew is currently a very bad idea. It behooves us to leave overrides for everything ... because of the unknown unknowns.

It's like trying to prevent an administrator, who has root access, from running unlogged commands as root. "Best practice" in security currently insists on sudo everywhere, "for traceability". It's a battle I've fought every day for a decade, because it's idiotic. If someone has root, or physical access, one can gain full control without leaving an audit trail. You can't protect against root, nor should you. And you can't protect airplanes against pilots... nor should you. You should simply focus on putting only the most trustworthy people in positions of trust, and that's all there is to it.

In my career as systems administrator, I have never snooped on any users, nor have I ever abused my position of trust in any way. In my career as a pilot, I have never done anything bordering on unethical nor have I knowingly broken any aviation regulation. I would hold that attitude to be a minimum standard of performance for any position of trust, and I bet most people would agree.

(Complete tangent: The really interesting question is what happens when you take someone with an extremely high standard of ethics and force them into an ethical conflict between your standards and a higher set of standards... issuing unconstitutional/illegal orders, for example. Or Snowden, for another.)

-Fox
NB. Remember that the FAA recommends transponder operation at all times now after engine start... no more stby unless explicitly requested.
 
Transponder malfunction resulting in multiple RAs? "stop squawk" is there for a reason, though I'm not sure if it gets used much.

Look, let's be completely frank here: trying to proof airplanes against the flight crew is currently a very bad idea. It behooves us to leave overrides for everything ... because of the unknown unknowns.

It's like trying to prevent an administrator, who has root access, from running unlogged commands as root. "Best practice" in security currently insists on sudo everywhere, "for traceability". It's a battle I've fought every day for a decade, because it's idiotic. If someone has root, or physical access, one can gain full control without leaving an audit trail. You can't protect against root, nor should you. And you can't protect airplanes against pilots... nor should you. You should simply focus on putting only the most trustworthy people in positions of trust, and that's all there is to it.

In my career as systems administrator, I have never snooped on any users, nor have I ever abused my position of trust in any way. In my career as a pilot, I have never done anything bordering on unethical nor have I knowingly broken any aviation regulation. I would hold that attitude to be a minimum standard of performance for any position of trust, and I bet most people would agree.

(Complete tangent: The really interesting question is what happens when you take someone with an extremely high standard of ethics and force them into an ethical conflict between your standards and a higher set of standards... issuing unconstitutional/illegal orders, for example. Or Snowden, for another.)

-Fox
NB. Remember that the FAA recommends transponder operation at all times now after engine start... no more stby unless explicitly requested.


You just had to bring root into it didn't you?

Fie on thee, varlet. Thy days are numbered.
 
Oh yes a B777 can turn off his transponder in flight, ask one to do it yesterday to see what would happen and what we expected to see happened

Let me get this right. You come on here, make a few posts (calling out well known and highly respected members - remember this is not JUST a forum - we do have meet and greets and a networking event every year so people have met and actually KNOW each other), people ask what your experience is, and you fail to answer that.

Now you say you asked a 777 yesterday to turn off their transponder "just to see what would happen?" Did I read that right?
 
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Transponder malfunction resulting in multiple RAs? "stop squawk" is there for a reason, though I'm not sure if it gets used much.

Look, let's be completely frank here: trying to proof airplanes against the flight crew is currently a very bad idea. It behooves us to leave overrides for everything ... because of the unknown unknowns.

It's like trying to prevent an administrator, who has root access, from running unlogged commands as root. "Best practice" in security currently insists on sudo everywhere, "for traceability". It's a battle I've fought every day for a decade, because it's idiotic. If someone has root, or physical access, one can gain full control without leaving an audit trail. You can't protect against root, nor should you. And you can't protect airplanes against pilots... nor should you. You should simply focus on putting only the most trustworthy people in positions of trust, and that's all there is to it.

In my career as systems administrator, I have never snooped on any users, nor have I ever abused my position of trust in any way. In my career as a pilot, I have never done anything bordering on unethical nor have I knowingly broken any aviation regulation. I would hold that attitude to be a minimum standard of performance for any position of trust, and I bet most people would agree.

(Complete tangent: The really interesting question is what happens when you take someone with an extremely high standard of ethics and force them into an ethical conflict between your standards and a higher set of standards... issuing unconstitutional/illegal orders, for example. Or Snowden, for another.)

-Fox
NB. Remember that the FAA recommends transponder operation at all times now after engine start... no more stby unless explicitly requested.
You make a good point here which I usually adopt when faced with the "How can we prevent this [fill in the blank] from ever happening again" crowd.
 
I dont know what the record is for thread length on this site, but this thread may have a chance of breaking it.

I would like to put money on the co-pilot jacking the plane, flying to the middle of the ocean until the tanks ran dry, then doing a Sully Sullenberger water landing to reduce any debris field.
 
Depending on the crash dynamics for the ELT. It may or may not get tripped. It may or may not have malfunctioned. And the CVR/FDR may be in an area the signals can't be received, or may not be activated if the aircraft is on land somewhere.

Too many unknowns right now. Am hald-heartedly observing the circumstantial evidence, from the potential to the outright zany. Somewhere in there, am awaiting to have my ears perked up by factual evidence pointing to a particular direction.

Haven't come across any yet. Until then, I listen and observe, rather than babble pointlessly about far out theories....attempting to be passed as fact........ that have no evidentiary backing whatsover (but make great hourly soundbites), like so many talking heads have been in the media, in portions of industry, and yes, even on forums, have been doing
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Hey man I'm a James Bond fan. And maybe they did get that 777 into a volcano. You know I think I could do it!
 
Depending on the crash dynamics for the ELT. It may or may not get tripped. It may or may not have malfunctioned. And the CVR/FDR may be in an area the signals can't be received, or may not be activated if the aircraft is on land somewhere.

Too many unknowns right now. Am hald-heartedly observing the circumstantial evidence, from the potential to the outright zany. Somewhere in there, am awaiting to have my ears perked up by factual evidence pointing to a particular direction.

Haven't come across any yet. Until then, I listen and observe, rather than babble pointlessly about far out theories....attempting to be passed as fact........ that have no evidentiary backing whatsover (but make great hourly soundbites), like so many talking heads have been in the media, in portions of industry, and yes, even on forums, have been doing.

I have a strong theory that all the zany theories that have been happening are the direct result of the media pressing "experts" for information and the Malaysian investigation team being unable to find its ass with both hands.

There really isn't a lot of information out there, so trying to speculate what happened does zero good. I still very much believe that if/when they get to the bottom of this, we will all be here going "oh, that actually makes a lot more sense."
 
Everyone thinks it's USA's job to save the world. Why?

If Canada is 1/10 the size let them chip in 1/10 the effort.
I'm pretty sure the nutjobs in DC and a lot of people in this country think that. The rest of the world? I think they are tired of us having "our fingers in all the pies" as @canadian_atc put it...
 
Let me get this right. You come on here, make a few posts (calling out well known and highly respected members - remember this is not JUST a forum - we do have meet and greets and a networking event every year so people have met and actually KNOW each other), people ask what your experience is, and you fail to answer that.

Now you say you asked a 777 yesterday to turn off their transponder "just to see what would happen?" Did I read that right?
Yes my supervisor was right there as well as the unit chief, I informed him that it was to check our primary radar, he complied, but was noticeably quite nervous, and yes Im ATC.
 
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