Life at Compass
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ian
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yeah, every landing i had when i was there....ask @jtrain609 or @amorris311 ......nice and firm just how i like it
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I don't recall ever receiving any training on what constitutes a hard landing. I know a crappy one but one that is hard by their definition? Not sure how someone would know besides thinking that sucked.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Maybe if the airplane gave us a report card...
ian
Well-Known Member
You'd throw it away without looking at it.... Ask me how I know
A
Adler
Guest
Does that printout give you touchdown g's or v/s? I've seen flight times, and at that point I usually throw it away and mutter something about "I don't understand why people turn this on".
FL350
Well-Known Member
I have the same sentiments, but I'm talking about the ones that have been referred to in recent emails and read files. Sounds like "hard" means bending something on the plane, and touching down at over 1,000fpm
Sounds like a little more than "ooo that wasn't pretty"
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I don't think that's the same thing, and I've only seen it once or twice.
I'm in agreement with Ian, on an average day you'd probably toss it without looking. But if you really drilled it in, G loading would be dispositive in making a determination of whether to write the plane up or not.
Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
Only guidance from the school house has been, "if you think it was a hard landing, call maintenance."
They'll come out and visually inspect the gear and probably clear the plane for service. Then in a couple weeks when FOQA gets the data and it turns out to actually be a hard landing (over 1.7 Gs I believe) they'll pull the plane off line for gear maintenance.
It's not so much a, "man, that landing kind of sucked" as an "ok FA B might need medical attention after that one."
Which to give you an idea how many of them we've actually had, IIRC it was 19 in 2015, and 75% of them were the second leg of FO IOE.
Disclaimer: my recollection of all the exact numbers is fuzzy
They'll come out and visually inspect the gear and probably clear the plane for service. Then in a couple weeks when FOQA gets the data and it turns out to actually be a hard landing (over 1.7 Gs I believe) they'll pull the plane off line for gear maintenance.
It's not so much a, "man, that landing kind of sucked" as an "ok FA B might need medical attention after that one."
Which to give you an idea how many of them we've actually had, IIRC it was 19 in 2015, and 75% of them were the second leg of FO IOE.
Disclaimer: my recollection of all the exact numbers is fuzzy
cactusjuba
Well-Known Member
Ugly landings in IOE isn't surprising, but maybe the trend of very hard landings is indicative of our training. I don't remember much emphasis on landings when I was in initial, more like 5 go-arounds with a SE landing to mins to an emergency evacuation. Or is my memory foggy?
Heres a suggestion: we add :30-1:00 hr of sim time to our training footprint. We give guys practice on landings, strong crosswinds, up the turbulance gain, visual approaches where you are hot and high, etc. Let them train to proficiency. Maybe just 10 minutes after each sim lesson. That would be valuable time to develop stick skills, judgement, timing and sight picture stuff for folks coming from light pistons.
Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
You've basically described Sim 1. Visual approaches to normal and crosswind landings up to crosswind limitations.
cactusjuba
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I remember a lot apparently.
broncoav8r
Well-Known Member
hmmm it's a long time between sim 1 and IOE for some of these guys...
Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
I remember a lot apparently.
Think we found the hard landings guy.
JK.
The curriculum definitely isn't tailored to getting slam dunk visuals and perfecting landing. LCAs would love it as that's one of their biggest complaints, but the higher ups cite limitations with sim graphics as the major hold back.
cactusjuba
Well-Known Member
#&$% you are the second guy to identify me. The first was that guy that posted my landing on airliners.net
Bang Ding Ouw.
ian
Well-Known Member
to be fair, my first IOE trip at SJI was 1 leg operating and then a deadhead...trip complete
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Hard to do when it depends on the LCAs schedule and when they can fit guys in. The biggest issue IMO is the 25 hour IOE and TRB at 37 hours. It should be 35-50 hours no questions asked. Need more ioe to get comfortable? Take it. Then start asking questions if they need more than 50 hours.