Life at Compass
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Seggy
Well-Known Member
You really don't get it.
If your number comes up and you 'don't get what it is like to be a captain', with a good training program, even under the seniority system, the pilot can then be evaluated and if needed, sent back to the right seat.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
That's not what you meant so don't try and play games. You like the idea of merit based because you work every legal possible day you can. You think that every manager loves your work ethic and if they could upgrade out of seniority they would be calling your name first. Word on the street is you were the same way at 9E. You think pilots who have lives and duties out side of the flight deck are stealing or lazy because they don't "work" as hard as you. As others have said, training programs worth their salt have ways to train as well as weed out pilots who are not capable of transitioning to the left seat.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
I completely agree.
Purpose of my post was more to be encouraging to Grant rather than ignite a merit versus seniority debate. Based on my experience, I think most professional pilots are capable of more than they think they are, especially if they are naturally self-critical of their knowledge, performance, and abilities, and concerned about doing their job well.
None of that, however, should supersede making the more conservative call in the name of safety and competence.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The same way at 9E? Yet another lie spread by the 9L types who were butt hurt back in '11. I have never said anything like that at 9E. If anything, I always thought it would be a waiting game. At one point I had 2 CAs junior to me back in 2008. The music stopped and there were no upgrades until 2010. And I checked out of the olace at end of '11 / early '12. There is absolutely zero truth to your "word on the street" comments.
Where did I say anything about pilot duties or lives outside the airline? Or that pilots are lazy? You are really reaching with false accusations.
Lastly, while airlines can have training programs worth their salt, clearly Colgan didn't have that in the timeframe before 3407. He was never weeded out. Even if Colgan didn't know about his previous failures, they saw plenty of training problems once at Colgan. Truth is back then they didn't monitor and correct recurrent failures back to back to back.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Why?
The only valid reason should be only can hold a 2nd class medical due to some problem.
If a guy lacks the leadership, the confidence, or whatever, he shouldn't be in the right seat either.
At some employers (AA and yours truly) it is up or out when it comes time to upgrade. As it should be. If at some point you can't upgrade repeatedly due to training or leadership issues, you shouldn't be in the right seat either.
grkero
fer yer health
There are many different types of people in the world. Too many, in fact, to say that if you can't or won't be a leader, you are worthless to an airline.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
Nope not a lie. This was well before 9L became the anti Christ to you. You didn't think it was always going to be a waiting game. You picked up every minute of flying so you could upgrade at the first opportunity you could since you got hired with low time.
Not false. You constantly use the argument that pilots who don't work as hard as you, are lazy and should not complain about fewer days off. I'm sure if we all took some time to do a search we could find several instances of you making these types of comments. Also willing to bet those comments can be found while bashing organized labor in the same thought.
We established this when we discussed how bad merit based upgrades are to this industry.
frog_flyer
FredFlyer
Oh look, another email from the VP/COO that has grammatical/spelling errors in it.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I loved his posts on Airlink.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Nuh uh... For serious?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Where do you get this information from? I did not pick up every minute of flying on days off. I had a regular schedule at my seniority. There were times I bid a high credit line, sure. 9E first year pay was 20.73/hr, 2nd was 24.39/hr, and 3rd was 30.09/hr. Anyway, 9E required 2,500 total if you had 1,000 at company. That means I needed ~2,200 hrs at 9E to get the upgrade mins. I had that by the end of 2009 and we weren't upgrading. My flying behavior didn't change after that. It's not like I worked more to get the 2,200 hrs on the RJ and then work less once I passed that mark (upgrade mins). I flew the same way I always did and I left the company with ~4,000 RJ time. The other comment about me impressing a manager with working hard..... like who? Are you insinuating that I thought that if I worked hard, that I could bypass the seniority system and upgrade on merit? Shirley you can't be serious. I know how seniority works, I had done enough research before choosing this career.
This is false. I've never commented on another pilot working too hard to too little. How is that my business? You can fly whatever schedule you'd like. It's all about QOL. I don't care how much one chooses to work and I have never told a pilot to stop complaining about fewer days off. Why would I say such a thing? Pilots are free to work as much or as little as they like, within the bounds of whatever their company allows/policy is.
ALPA comments are irrelevant to this particular discussion. Not sure why you brought it up.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
So Compass...
Taylor814ce
Well-Known Member
Some random Compass questions. Sorry if I asked in the past. Just don't recall.
-Seniority is assigned by age, SS#, or random?
-After home CBT for two weeks, you return for to MSP for weeks of ground school. When do you take the oral exam? Is that the main exam throughout the two weeks of ground school? Or are there other major exams?
-After CBT and after Ground school, it's Sim right? How long is the wait?
-I know most headset works, just curious what you are using for E175.
Cheers!
-Seniority is assigned by age, SS#, or random?
-After home CBT for two weeks, you return for to MSP for weeks of ground school. When do you take the oral exam? Is that the main exam throughout the two weeks of ground school? Or are there other major exams?
-After CBT and after Ground school, it's Sim right? How long is the wait?
-I know most headset works, just curious what you are using for E175.
Cheers!
NC_BE300
Well-Known Member
Seniority is by age of everyone in your class.
As far as the new hire training footprint, etc, i'll let someone else who's been through more recently then me to answer that, it's been awhile since then for me.
Headset- I've been using the Telex 850 for years. Others use the Bose, David Clarks, etc.
As far as the new hire training footprint, etc, i'll let someone else who's been through more recently then me to answer that, it's been awhile since then for me.
Headset- I've been using the Telex 850 for years. Others use the Bose, David Clarks, etc.
PropSettin'
Low n Slow
Senority is by age, oral exam is the Systems Validation (SV on your training calendar), you will have written exams for GOS and Systems prior to going to your SIT training, which concludes with the SV. Then into the FPT training which concludes with your Procedures Validation (PV), and then to the simulator. That wait time has varied dramatically from a couple days for me to a couple weeks for the class after. I want to continue hearing at least through the age of 65 so I'm sticking with my Lightspeed Zulus, worked great so far on IOE. I turned the ANR on for T/O and approach/landing and turned it off in cruise with the volume up to save battery.
That's my plan: Bid for an August training slot and hope I have the time.
Weirdly, I keep trying to fly as much as I can and they keep buying it off of me.
95 hours credit in March and 49 hours block. I got so bored I picked up days in the training center.
These are all good problems to have.
Taylor814ce
Well-Known Member
Newbie question,
What happens if you get 90 plus hours each month and time out in 10 months?
My understanding is 1000 is max per year. Do you get 2 months off?
Will company/scheduler blame you if this happens?
What happens if you get 90 plus hours each month and time out in 10 months?
My understanding is 1000 is max per year. Do you get 2 months off?
Will company/scheduler blame you if this happens?
MusketeerMan
Well-Known Member
It's a rolling 12 month cycle. If you ever hit the 1000 mark, you'll be taken off the trips and pay protected. If taken off for a month, you get paid guarantee. No, they won't get mad at you for flying too much. Your wife or gf may though.