John and Martha Get Jacked Up.

Lee D said:
Since they are about the last people you would ever expect to see in this situation; how can a guys not see a little humor in that?
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I do see a little humor in it. Unfortunately that little bit of humor is far over shadowed by the fact this happened at all. A lackey for the DEA calls the SBPD and says plane with stolen N-number is headed their way? Why did that happen on that particular day when the plane in question had filed IFR on so many other occasions? Why did no one inform the police that the aircraft was reported stolen 8 years ago and that is therefore unlikely the pilot on that particular day would be armed and/or dangerous?

When they were removed from the airplane, several LEO's had weapons drawn and aimed at them. That is unacceptable to me. Weapons drawn? Sure, knock yourself out. Aimed at an innocent person? I have a problem with that. Those guys are professionals. But even professionals screw up and fire their weapons accidentally on occasion. If it had been me and I had to watch my wife ordered out of the plane at gun point, I would most be definitely talking to every attorney I could find right now. And I would be pursuing every avenue available to file a lawsuit. I'm sorry, but I don't find anything humorous about that. And I hope the Kings pursue any available suit to the fullest.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
I do see a little humor in it. Unfortunately that little bit of humor is far over shadowed by the fact this happened at all. A lackey for the DEA calls the SBPD and says plane with stolen N-number is headed their way? Why did that happen on that particular day when the plane in question had filed IFR on so many other occasions? Why did no one inform the police that the aircraft was reported stolen 8 years ago and that is therefore unlikely the pilot on that particular day would be armed and/or dangerous?

When they were removed from the airplane, several LEO's had weapons drawn and aimed at them. That is unacceptable to me. Weapons drawn? Sure, knock yourself out. Aimed at an innocent person? I have a problem with that. Those guys are professionals. But even professionals screw up and fire their weapons accidentally on occasion. If it had been me and I had to watch my wife ordered out of the plane at gun point, I would most be definitely talking to every attorney I could find right now. And I would be pursuing every avenue available to file a lawsuit. I'm sorry, but I don't find anything humorous about that. And I hope the Kings pursue any available suit to the fullest.
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Sorry, as much as I wouldn't want this to happen to any of us, except for the officers (who probably weren't even on scene) not checking the info to be sure it was correct, I don't think the police did anything wrong. This would be treated just like a felony traffic stop, and guns drawn is the only way to do it. I guarantee the Kings will seek legal means to make sure this will not happen again, in fact, I'm pretty sure the AOPA is already doing what they can to. No one was hurt, it makes an interesting story I'm sure the Kings will have fun with many times over, in fact, they already are laughing at the sillyness. They know what they represent, it couldn't have happened to a better couple to insure it doesn't happen again. I bet their production team is already working on a DVD to at least have an in house laugh at it.
 
darrenf said:
Sorry, as much as I wouldn't want this to happen to any of us, except for the officers (who probably weren't even on scene) not checking the info to be sure it was correct, I don't think the police did anything wrong. This would be treated just like a felony traffic stop, and guns drawn is the only way to do it. I guarantee the Kings will seek legal means to make sure this will not happen again, in fact, I'm pretty sure the AOPA is already doing what they can to. No one was hurt, it makes an interesting story I'm sure the Kings will have fun with many times over, in fact, they already are laughing at the sillyness. They know what they represent, it couldn't have happened to a better couple to insure it doesn't happen again. I bet their production team is already working on a DVD to at least have an in house laugh at it.
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Agree.

It depends what information the police had (albeit wrong info at the time), which is something we don't know. If the info was that this was a akin to a felony stop, then they were likely following their protocols, since in a felony stop, the last thing you want to do is approach a vehicle/boat/aircraft without being at the ready, then getting shot by a suspect.

Joe Gremlin, I can understand you not liking a personal aspect of it by describing what if you had to see your wife, yada, yada; but these things happen. No one got hurt, and now someone is going to have to be accountable for why this screwup happened. And rightfully so. But that screwup isn't with the on-scene officers who were simply acting on the bad info given to them from another agency.
 
darrenf said:
Sorry, as much as I wouldn't want this to happen to any of us, except for the officers (who probably weren't even on scene) not checking the info to be sure it was correct, I don't think the police did anything wrong.
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Well, yes and no. You're right the lack of fact checking is where the ball got dropped. And like I said, that it happened at all is where I have a problem with it. Because it happened, the officers responded and treated it like a felony stop. And as a result, innocent people were put at risk. That's an issue because again, it should have never happened at all.

This would be treated just like a felony traffic stop, and guns drawn is the only way to do it.
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Like I said in my previous post, guns drawn is fine and completely understandable. Guns aimed at suspects who are cooperating fully and who have been reported by no one to be armed or dangerous is a bit of problem for me. I know this is an argument I won't win but its just how I feel about it.


Like I said before, the whole thing sounds a little fishy and I'd really want to know what the rest of the story is. I'm sure there are plenty of N-numbers that have been reported stolen and then recycled to be used again on other airframes. So why was this one singled out? And why on that particular day but not previously? I'm not big on conspiracy theory but there is more to this story than is being told currently.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
Like I said before, the whole thing sounds a little fishy and I'd really want to know what the rest of the story is. I'm sure there are plenty of N-numbers that have been reported stolen and then recycled to be used again on other airframes. So why was this one singled out? And why on that particular day but not previously? I'm not big on conspiracy theory but there is more to this story than is being told currently.
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Probably someone else out there who has had nightmares as a result of watching 12 DVD's featuring Martha. ;)
 
I listened to the AvWeb audiocast and was waiting and waiting for Martha to say in her best presentation voice, "They pulled their guns, cuffed us, (insert the way she laughs and raises her tone a bit for this last bit) ....aaaaaand put us into the back of the police car."

I was disappointed she didn't say it that way... :pirate:
 
Hende1JA said:
Darren...its one thing to poke them in the eye professionally, but to do it personally is wrong and out of bounds in a public medium.

I'd be willing to bet you and muff3n would be a little more respectful if the internet was not anonymous.
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Awww man, I am actually a really nice guy. I was just adding a +1 that was originally somebody else's joke at the start of the thread. I apologize if I offended you for that.

After looking at the pictures of the incident it really does have a lot stronger effect. It sucks that they had to go through all of this mess when they did not do anything against the law.
 
contactground.9 said:
Yeah... Sure... "instructor"

Aaaaaand roll camera!!
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Old people porn!

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Yeah, it went projectile!
 
Muff3n said:
Awww man, I am actually a really nice guy. I was just adding a +1 that was originally somebody else's joke at the start of the thread. I apologize if I offended you for that.

After looking at the pictures of the incident it really does have a lot stronger effect. It sucks that they had to go through all of this mess when they did not do anything against the law.
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I thought your was funny. They're celebrities and people make fun of celebrities all the time. I don't see the big deal.:dunno:
 
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