International airline -> US bizjet transition

[CFI A&P]

What is super strange in the EU is when fields have a tower… that is not actually a tower.

Like EKVG Vargar airport in Faroe Islands. It looks like a tower, it talks like a tower. They issue IFR clearances like a tower… but actually have no regulatory authority or control capability lol. Very strange telling tower you are taking off rather than being given a take off clearance.


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Great Exuma, Bahamas (MYEF) is the same. Traffic advisories only but can facilitate clearances. In this example, the position is required for weather advisories since AWOS/ASOS is OTS and many carriers by regulation (121.101 & 135.213) require a human observer for field conditions (hot, dry, wet, wind…).

It is unusual, compared to what we see in the States but normal there. An example of a job that is safe from AI, I guess.

 

[DE727UPS]

We used to have that at smaller airports in the states. Airport Advisories from your friendly local Flight Service Station. They could also pass on IFR clearances from ATC.

 

[BobDDuck]

Great Exuma, Bahamas (MYEF) is the same. Traffic advisories only but can facilitate clearances.

But only a 25% chance that the clearance would make it through to Miami Center. It was always a fun time when you got near the ADIZ on the way back home.

 

[ahw01]

But only a 25% chance that the clearance would make it through to Miami Center. It was always a fun time when you got near the ADIZ on the way back home.

Was this before eapis?

 

[BobDDuck]

Was this before eapis?

This was 2005 through maybe 2010.

 

[Richman]

We used to have that at smaller airports in the states. Airport Advisories from your friendly local Flight Service Station. They could also pass on IFR clearances from ATC.

Sheesh. Has it been that long?

FSS consolidation was started in what, ‘86-87?

The irony is the old FSSes did the ATC clearance thing super well compared with today.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

We used to have that at smaller airports in the states. Airport Advisories from your friendly local Flight Service Station. They could also pass on IFR clearances from ATC.

Semi similar but also not in that it’s compulsory - So you still have to talk to them, like you can’t taxi, take off or land without it and the field is closed when the “not tower” is closed. - and It’ls also slot controlled… by this same facility.

Vargar has requirements due to the surrounding terrain and mechanically induced sever turbulence in the fjords - so you’re also required to get the wind speeds off the local hill from them as well as the condition color.

All in all a very strange experience


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