interesting emergency authority reg

A1TAPE said:
Thats what I call overkill
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You'd be surprised how easily it happens.

12 month LOE in the sim, a 3 month line check, 6 month sim and then brought in for 9 month ground.

As I was leaving the FAA finally combined the 9 mouth ground with the 12 month LOE, so you had a 6 month break at one point, but it was still a lot of training/checking.
 
A1TAPE said:
Paging guywhoflies guywhoflies please come to the reading room to tell us the story of the LCA who got denied.
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As Cptnchia said, some things are better left to be discussed over beers.

I can tell you the general reason that the line check did not happen was due to a misunderstanding of who would be in charge in the event of an emergency. There's more to it but that is the gist of it.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
We only do a captain line check every other year. Aren't most airlines every year?
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We have to be line checked once every two years but it can happen anytime randomly. If a check airman happened to be out in the system and happened to be heading back home on the plane I'm flying, I'm going to get a line check. This is why I keep a close eye one who's signed up for my jumpseats. You'd probably see them on there a day or two out, at least, and have fair warning it's going to happen.
 
guywhoflies said:
As Cptnchia said, some things are better left to be discussed over beers.

I can tell you the general reason that the line check did not happen was due to a misunderstanding of who would be in charge in the event of an emergency. There's more to it but that is the gist of it.
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Wouldnt the CA be in charge during the emergency? And if the LCA is in the JS unless its a CA OE check then alls he could do during an emergency is maybe throttle management like in that gimil glider crash.
 
DE727UPS said:
We have to be line checked once every two years but it can happen anytime randomly. If a check airman happened to be out in the system and happened to be heading back home on the plane I'm flying, I'm going to get a line check. This is why I keep a close eye one who's signed up for my jumpseats. You'd probably see them on there a day or two out, at least, and have fair warning it's going to happen.
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NATURE DOCUMENTARY: Out on the hunt, the check airman searches for his next prey. After checking the local watering hole for a ride he descents upon the unsuspecting crew like a lion descends upon a gazelle. He locks eyes with a fed and they race to be the first to catch their prey, a lowly 737 crew on the last leg home.

 
Derg said:
I had an LCA who was being disruptive and literally got in the way of the operation.

Mid-flight I told him to exit the cockpit and sit on the FA jumpseat and, I quote, "I'm not even kidding".
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Is it just my puerile proclivity toward prurience or does anyone else find that highly suggestive?

Sounds exactly like that LCA was cock-blocking you.

["Cock-blocking" is totally ok to say in public now. The new Comms Director just made that clear.]
 
A1TAPE said:
According to the regs, as PIC you have the emergency authority to "exclude any any all persons" from the flight deck in the "interest of safety" with this reg in place could you in theory deny a fed or a LCA from the flight deck in the interest of safety? Im sure that you would have to explain for it but could you say you did it in the interest of safety as you were not up to doing a LCA ride or a fed ride? Might be a stupid question but Ive always wondering if anyone ever tried to deny a fed or LCA under the guise of emergency authority.
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Remember the law protects yout ability to make the decision and the FAA won't come down on you. Your employer is free to question your decision making and discipline you for it if they feel it isn't warranted.

Think of it like freedom of speech. The constitution protects it and keeps you from going to jail, but it doesn't prevent other reprecusssions for it. Like your employer firing you for what they deem is poor posts on social media.
 
BlueMoon said:
Remember the law protects yout ability to make the decision and the FAA won't come down on you. Your employer is free to question your decision making and discipline you for it if they feel it isn't warranted.

Think of it like freedom of speech. The constitution protects it and keeps you from going to jail, but it doesn't prevent other reprecusssions for it. Like your employer firing you for what they deem is poor posts on social media.
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I get that but WHY on earth other than a sincere safety concern would a CA deny the seat to a fed or LCA? By this I dont mean kicking them out mid flight if they are distracting but I mean denying them BEFORE the flight commences.
 
A1TAPE said:
I get that but WHY on earth other than a sincere safety concern would a CA deny the seat to a fed or LCA? By this I dont mean kicking them out mid flight if they are distracting but I mean denying them BEFORE the flight commences.
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It probably comes down to one of two things. Either a lack of understanding of how jumpseating priority works, or someone with a chip on their shoulder and is trying to "prove a point."

The memo we had, I am pretty sure it had to do with a captain not understanding that the fed had priority for the jump over everyone. I think he tried to deny a fed boarding in order to accommodate a commuting jumpseater.
 
poser765 said:
The memo we had, I am pretty sure it had to do with a captain not understanding that the fed had priority for the jump over everyone. I think he tried to deny a fed boarding in order to accommodate a commuting jumpseater.
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Oh I thought he was trying to deny the ride so it wouldnt be a fed checking event ride
 
Jordan93 said:
I've had 3 line checks in the past 2 weeks. I think they're trying to get rid of me.
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just check the JS list to see if an LCA is listing the seat then have the station agent do the denying for you so you can deflect and deny when called to do the carpet dance.
 
Jordan93 said:
Sorry bro, not enough oxygen for 3 people in the cockpit.
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But you have 3 QD masks with 2 hours of gas for just the flight deck, you dont expect me to wear a mask the whole cruise flight right?
*gets affirmative nod* You will be hearing from ProStands about this one! *walks off plane in a huff*

on the MMEL for the 737 it says
May be inoperative provided:
a) Required minimum safety equipment (safety
belt and oxygen) is available,
b) Seat is acceptable to an FAA inspector for
performance of official duties, and
c) Repairs are made within two flight days.
NOTE 1: These provisos are intended to provide for
occupancy of above seats by an FAA
inspector when minimum safety equipment
(oxygen and safety belt) is functional and
inspector determines conditions to be
acceptable.
NOTE 2: Pilot-in-Command will determine if minimum
safety equipment is functional for other
persons authorized to occupy any observer
seat(s).
NOTE: Pilot-in-Command will determine if minimum
safety equipment is functional for other persons
authorized to occupy any
observer seat(s).
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So im guessing a CA could NOT use the MEL notes to deny the seat or can they? It seems it says the fed will determine if the seat is acceptable but what about a LCA? Are they considered "other persons" or are they considered to be a fed in the MEL?
 
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