interesting emergency authority reg

I had a fed tell me one time to never let another fed on the jumpseat. We fly to MYR with Fed#1. Seems like an nice guy. Getting off the plane, another Fed, #2, approaches the plane. They have words, it's apparent there is beef between them. #2 boards, he's mad, and says, "Don't ever let that POS on the plane again!"

Turns out #2 is a rEAL, and #1 is a bonafide EAL scab. Even showed me #1's name on the list. Incidentally, this is where I acquired my first copy of "The List."

He was serious too. Told me to do everything possible to keep the scab off the plane in the future.
 
I had a fed tell me one time to never let another fed on the jumpseat. We fly to MYR with Fed#1. Seems like an nice guy. Getting off the plane, another Fed, #2, approaches the plane. They have words, it's apparent there is beef between them. #2 boards, he's mad, and says, "Don't ever let that POS on the plane again!"

Turns out #2 is a rEAL, and #1 is a bonafide EAL scab. Even showed me #1's name on the list. Incidentally, this is where I acquired my first copy of "The List."

He was serious too. Told me to do everything possible to keep the scab off the plane in the future.
Oh heck naw. Scab or not, there is no way I am getting between their lovers spat.
 
EAL as in Eastern Airlines? Just googled EAL scab and first result was for a "US Master Pilot scablist" Im guessing thats "The List" that fed#2 was referring to. Speaking of which, why were there many scabs during the EAL strike?
 
I always ask if they're an ACI or an ASI. The only problem I've had with a fed, and leading up to my visit to the "Big Brown Desk" was a ASI.

Hilarious when the CMO pretty much screamed "Next time kick his ass off the jet"
 
EAL as in Eastern Airlines? Just googled EAL scab and first result was for a "US Master Pilot scablist" Im guessing thats "The List" that fed#2 was referring to. Speaking of which, why were there many scabs during the EAL strike?

Great Googly Moogly!

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He was serious too. Told me to do everything possible to keep the scab off the plane in the future.

We have one United 85 Fed out here. He oversees the Canadian carriers so he's always in the jumpseat to the neighbor islands to check AC and WestJet. Nice enough guy, but most of the crews know his history and it makes for a pretty quiet ride.
 
This is one of those cases of the "red switch" you know, that one with the guard that's safety wired?

Some guys are just itching to try it out. Others understand the letters "DNFW" written in pencil next to it.

There are some items like that in the FARs/Ops Specs/FOM, etc. Yes they are there, and yes, it's for a reason. But if you are going to break the wire, better be sure.
 
United 85? Is that a flight number or refering to the 1985 strike? Or is it the 857 seniority suit?
My 10 year old son would ask a question like that, even though logic answered the question for you. What do you think is the most logical answer to your questions?

I'm not trying to be mean, but it's summer break, and I've had many similar questions during my almost 40 days home from him...
 
My 10 year old son would ask a question like that, even though logic answered the question for you. What do you think is the most logical answer to your questions?

I'm not trying to be mean, but it's summer break, and I've had many similar questions during my almost 40 days home from him...

He's asked a lot of similar questions in other threads. I'm all for learning new things, but sometimes common sense just needs to rule.
 
If you mean the 1985 scabs then
"Supplementary Base Vacancy Bid 1985-5" (85-5 bid) that it would fill a large number of anticipated vacancies using a system that allows pilots to bid for positions and that, in the past, had assigned positions by seniority. Although ALPA authorized strikers to submit bids, Continental announced that all of the positions had been awarded to working pilots. ALPA and Continental then agreed to end the strike, dispose of some related litigation, and reallocate the positions covered by the 85-5 bid. Striking pilots were offered the option of settling all outstanding claims with Continental and participating in the 85-5 bid positions' allocations, electing not to return to work and receiving severance pay, or retaining their individual claims against Continental and becoming eligible to return to work only after all the settling pilots had been reinstated. Thus, striking pilots received some of the positions previously awarded to the working pilots. After the settlement, respondents, former striking pilots, filed suit in the District Court against ALPA, charging, inter alia, that the union had breached its duty of fair representation. The court granted ALPA's motion for summary judgment, but the Court of Appeals reversed. It rejected ALPA's argument that a union cannot breach the fair representation duty without intentional misconduct, applying, instead, the rule announced in Vaca v. Sipes, 386 U.S. 171, 87 S.Ct. 903, 17 L.Ed.2d 842 that a union violates the duty if its actions are "arbitrary, discriminatory, or in bad faith," id., at 190, 87 S.Ct., at 916. With respect to the test's first component, the court found that a nonarbitrary decision must be (1) based upon relevant permissible union factors, (2) a rational result of the consideration of those factors, and (3) inclusive of a fair and impartial consideration of all employees' interests. Applying that test, the court concluded that a jury could find that ALPA acted arbitrarily by negotiating a settlement less favorable than the consequences of a complete surrender to Continental, which the court believed would have left intact the striking pilots' seniority rights with regard to the 85-5 bid positions. It also found the existence of a material issue of fact whether the favored treatment of working pilots in the allocation of the 85-5 bid positions constituted discrimination against the strikers.

If you meant to type 57 or 570 THEN
570 – A group of pilots hired in 1985 as United was trying to break the union. They all agreed to scab (in writing) and were trained and sent home. Their job was to cross the picket line when the strike was called. ALPA got a hold of them, and most did not cross (although they emboldened the CEO and gave him what he thought was a tool to win the strike). Since they needed a lot of people (and fast), they ended up with some nut jobs. (Many pilots of the era who wanted to work for UAL stayed away, not wanting to be scabs). Most of these pilots were young, and entered a very mature work force. They upgraded quickly, and many will have over 25 years as heavy Captains. They have had the best careers of any United pilot since the 1960’s (late 60’s and 70’s era pilots furloughed, 20 year Captain upgrade, etc.), but these pilots will whine all day long about how bad they have it (even in the presence of double furloughees). They see themselves heroes of a strike that they helped cause, and are generally disliked among other United pilots (this may be a surprise to them but, whenever the number 570 comes up in the cockpit, you can expect a long list of complaints against them). Like any group, there are some really good guys and gals that are 570’s. They’re not all bad.
 
If you mean the 1985 scabs then
"Supplementary Base Vacancy Bid 1985-5" (85-5 bid) that it would fill a large number of anticipated vacancies using a system that allows pilots to bid for positions and that, in the past, had assigned positions by seniority. Although ALPA authorized strikers to submit bids, Continental announced that all of the positions had been awarded to working pilots. ALPA and Continental then agreed to end the strike, dispose of some related litigation, and reallocate the positions covered by the 85-5 bid. Striking pilots were offered the option of settling all outstanding claims with Continental and participating in the 85-5 bid positions' allocations, electing not to return to work and receiving severance pay, or retaining their individual claims against Continental and becoming eligible to return to work only after all the settling pilots had been reinstated. Thus, striking pilots received some of the positions previously awarded to the working pilots. After the settlement, respondents, former striking pilots, filed suit in the District Court against ALPA, charging, inter alia, that the union had breached its duty of fair representation. The court granted ALPA's motion for summary judgment, but the Court of Appeals reversed. It rejected ALPA's argument that a union cannot breach the fair representation duty without intentional misconduct, applying, instead, the rule announced in Vaca v. Sipes, 386 U.S. 171, 87 S.Ct. 903, 17 L.Ed.2d 842 that a union violates the duty if its actions are "arbitrary, discriminatory, or in bad faith," id., at 190, 87 S.Ct., at 916. With respect to the test's first component, the court found that a nonarbitrary decision must be (1) based upon relevant permissible union factors, (2) a rational result of the consideration of those factors, and (3) inclusive of a fair and impartial consideration of all employees' interests. Applying that test, the court concluded that a jury could find that ALPA acted arbitrarily by negotiating a settlement less favorable than the consequences of a complete surrender to Continental, which the court believed would have left intact the striking pilots' seniority rights with regard to the 85-5 bid positions. It also found the existence of a material issue of fact whether the favored treatment of working pilots in the allocation of the 85-5 bid positions constituted discrimination against the strikers.

If you meant to type 57 or 570 THEN
570 – A group of pilots hired in 1985 as United was trying to break the union. They all agreed to scab (in writing) and were trained and sent home. Their job was to cross the picket line when the strike was called. ALPA got a hold of them, and most did not cross (although they emboldened the CEO and gave him what he thought was a tool to win the strike). Since they needed a lot of people (and fast), they ended up with some nut jobs. (Many pilots of the era who wanted to work for UAL stayed away, not wanting to be scabs). Most of these pilots were young, and entered a very mature work force. They upgraded quickly, and many will have over 25 years as heavy Captains. They have had the best careers of any United pilot since the 1960’s (late 60’s and 70’s era pilots furloughed, 20 year Captain upgrade, etc.), but these pilots will whine all day long about how bad they have it (even in the presence of double furloughees). They see themselves heroes of a strike that they helped cause, and are generally disliked among other United pilots (this may be a surprise to them but, whenever the number 570 comes up in the cockpit, you can expect a long list of complaints against them). Like any group, there are some really good guys and gals that are 570’s. They’re not all bad.


And this is related to your ADX test studies, because....................?
 
And this is related to your ADX test studies, because....................?
Well i took a break from studying and decided to look up the UAL/EAL strikes to get more info about what you guys meant by 85 feds and why some people were against scabs riding in their jumpseats.
 
Did mx give you the "im doing you a solid" look when he deferred the seat?

Way off topic now that this thread has drifted into UAL/EAL scab-land talk...

At the time, I think everyone was just working on getting the aircraft pushed. Stopping everything to refill the o2 to get the fed back in the jumpseat, meant deplaning everyone including the crew and stopping fueling while the O2 was getting refilled or waiting until fueling was complete to refill the O2. Either way it was going to be a significant delay to refill O2 once passenger boarding commenced.

So there was no need to exercise emergency authority to exclude the Fed off the jumpseat. or "wink-wink" to the mechanic please defer to get this guy out the seat - All that was needed was to just follow all the procedures to the letter, especially with a fed on board. If a pilot had done that, depending on his attitude coming on the plane he would have gotten a "you know remember what your mom said about touching things?" kind of talk, and probably would have let it slide or he could have gotten the same treatment the FAA guy got. Mx needed no coercing to defer the jumpseat. I actually felt bad for the Fed. It was just more expedient to defer in order minimize the delay to the flight. I do what I can to get jumpseaters on and keep them on.

I did have one period of time where I had the same Fed 4 different times in the jumpseat on 4 separate trips over 4 weeks. After the third time, he laughed and said dont bother with showing me your certificates, I've already run them and they're all legit... When we asked what he meant by that, he's had to bust pilots for fake medicals and certificates. The fourth time, we were wondering if he was stalking us or something...
 
I did have one period of time where I had the same Fed 4 different times in the jumpseat on 4 separate trips over 4 weeks. After the third time, he laughed and said dont bother with showing me your certificates, I've already run them and they're all legit... When we asked what he meant by that, he's had to bust pilots for fake medicals and certificates. The fourth time, we were wondering if he was stalking us or something...
I heard one time of a fed checking the crews medicals and certs and LOOSING the FOs medical. To remedy the situation he signed off saying he had a valid medical and called his FSDO to have another one made up and sent to the arrival station and to have a fed deliver it to the gate so that the crew could make their next turn without delaying pax due to the paperwork issue.
 
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