interesting emergency authority reg
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
SINGLE ENGINE!!
Nothing. I was just explaining where I got the using the AP to avoid a midair reference.
Im trying to understand would anyone even attempt to deny the jumpseat to a LCA or fed for a reason other than safety or emergency. If they did, the odds of them still flying the line would be questionable.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Ugh but why do you need to understand it so bad? Seriously, of all the Regs? It says they can, is it wise in a non emergency? No, but guess what it happens, and I have seen it happen once. You aren't gonna hear it either.
Ha!
No, they make sure you're treated fairly.
If you do stupid things, intentionally, no one is going to come to your rescue. Or should.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Maybe, maybe not. Has it happened before? Yes. Will it happen in the future? Yes. Does it really matter? No.
There are a multitude of reasons to deny it other than an emergency. I once denied an LCA because we had a personal issue between us and I felt he couldn't compartmentalize that and act professionally. I gave the company the option of removing him or me. He went, I stayed.
Over beers I'll tell you the "If you must, grab your stuff in DTW, tell the chief pilot I'm an ass and that you don't want to fly with me and I'll handle the rest of it from there."
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
I think we all got one of those stories!
How difficult is it, or should it be, to be an LCA? You meet the crew, ride with them, observe and evaluate what they're doing, and 99.9% of the time, there should be no issue with anything. Why make the job more difficult than it needs to be, either for your fellow crewmembers you're evaluating, or for yourself? Unless there's some serious issue or procedure breach that comes up that an LCA has to address, it should be no different than just riding along. And even if issues do come up and the crew handles them normally, kudos to that.
That's how I did it back in the day. No need to make anything more than what it is, or create work that doesn't need to exist.
Some evaluators like to make crap difficult just for the sake of doing so.
100% of my line checks have been just like that.
But there's a certain part of the human condition that when you're not in that situation, some need to feel the respect which manifests itself in strange ways.
Remember, SOME. Not a lot but everyone's got the same small handful of names of those that are tyrants.
Just like some pilots absolutely need to let everyone at the bar know they're a pilot. Literally will interject himself into private conversations with the "You know, as a pilot, (yadda yadda yadda)"
But there's a certain part of the human condition that when you're not in that situation, some need to feel the respect which manifests itself in strange ways.
Remember, SOME. Not a lot but everyone's got the same small handful of names of those that are tyrants.
Just like some pilots absolutely need to let everyone at the bar know they're a pilot. Literally will interject himself into private conversations with the "You know, as a pilot, (yadda yadda yadda)"
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Jordan93
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure 1 CA was due for one but the other 2 were random so it was just luck of draw I guess.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Depends on the company Most places a check pilot is only going to be doing not scheduled and assigned checking if the guy up front is going to need it soon anyways. Really, line checks aren't this big deal. Same with Feds. Half the time it's not even a fed who oversees a pilot function and it's some MX or GA guy asking a whole bunch of questions (below 10,000) because he's curious.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
We had one CA at Pinnacle who was notorious for abusing the system like that. Commuted from CVG to DTW and would always give "Standards Checks" on his ride to/from work. 1. Guaranteed jumpseat and 2. Paid 3.5 hr comp bus min day pay , plus whatever else he had that day.
Taking the plane, the oxygen was right at the minimum for 3 crew members. A fed shows up looking for a ride. No problem. We do the briefing show him the Jumpseat briefing card. Point out the o2 mask for him. Then he decides to push the test button and the digits for the o2 pressure drop below the minimum for 3 crew members...
Really? Why'd you do that? Called up maintenance to refill the o2 (we were already boarding). Maintenance decides to defer the Jumpseat. And the fed goes out the door. He did it to himself.
Really? Why'd you do that? Called up maintenance to refill the o2 (we were already boarding). Maintenance decides to defer the Jumpseat. And the fed goes out the door. He did it to himself.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
NIIICCCEEE!
poser765
Well-Known Member
My last airline was getting their audit from the FAA. So I was on reserve with various assignments over 5 days. I ended up having the same fed in the jumpseat three or 4 times. The very last time I walked up the jet bridge and saw him at the gate, lol he just looked at me and said "damn it, chris."
A simple majority of my experiences with the FAA in my jumpseat are them trying to commute somewhere. As mentioned a good portion of them are mx, or some other random branch that has no idea what we do or how we do it. One guy was looking at my medical and had to ask me when it expired.
Did mx give you the "im doing you a solid" look when he deferred the seat?