Furlough Estimates

L-16B said:
@learhawkerbe400 kept his left seat at AA. Not the blood bath we all expected.
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typhoonpilot said:
EK laid of somewhere between 600 and 800 pilots today. It is done out of seniority based on unknown metrics. Reportedly another 700 or so next week. I have heard 400 Airbus and 200 Boeing today. The metrics might be, in no specific order:

Number of sick calls
Warning letter on file
Training proficiency
Age to retirement
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Word on the street is they have had three suicides since the announcement, and may have reversed some of these? Any idea if there's truth to that?
 
BobDDuck said:
There may be some Ohana guys on here who know better, but I think that has more to do with a lot of their pilots bailing for other jobs than anything else.
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Doesn’t your contract say that if mainline furloughs, Ohana gets parked? I thought I read that in a contract comparison somewhere but I can’t seem to find it now.
 
NickH said:
Word on the street is they have had three suicides since the announcement, and may have reversed some of these? Any idea if there's truth to that?
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Maybe, it’s not exactly a rare thing every downturn.
 
Derg said:
Maybe, it’s not exactly a rare thing every downturn.
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AA has had at least two in recent days, including a 34 year old.

This is a public service announcement to utilize CIRP or your company's equivalent if you need someone to talk to. The FAA's archaic approach to mental health is not ok. Not being ok is perfectly ok and normal! There are safe, non-jeopardy resources available (though not as many as there should be).
 
roundout said:
AA has had at least two in recent days, including a 34 year old.

This is a public service announcement to utilize CIRP or your company's equivalent if you need someone to talk to. The FAA's archaic approach to mental health is not ok. Not being ok is perfectly ok and normal! There are safe, non-jeopardy resources available (though not as many as there should be).
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That's surprising, as I thought AA was basically claiming that they will not have any furloughs. Very tragic and sad, whatever battles they were facing.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Aviation beyond 121 is gonna be hurtin’ too. You can complain. Or you can get a head start if a furlough is on the horizon. In this thread I only posted a couple links to airline jobs still available.
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And there's a lot still out there and new ones still being posted outside the 121 world. You do know there are more jobs than the links you provided, right? Maybe a more realistic message should be there's jobs but the applicant pool now has a couple thousand instead of a few people. Not like 91/135 fits are gonna pay for type ratings for those of us with furlough recall rights. Especially with 2 regionals already gone under and a quick head start on applying (as they deserve)
 
ShortField said:
Doesn’t your contract say that if mainline furloughs, Ohana gets parked? I thought I read that in a contract comparison somewhere but I can’t seem to find it now.
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Not specifically. We tried to get somethinglike that in our last contract but it didn't happen. There is a floor for the number of inter island block hours that must be flown for ohana to still operate but that number is very old and not really applicableto our current operation.

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Aviation beyond 121 is gonna be hurtin’ too. You can complain. Or you can get a head start if a furlough is on the horizon. In this thread I only posted a couple links to airline jobs still available.
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It may be in a bit, but not all areas will be hit as hard. Cargo still has to get moved. I know of 2 ohana guys that moved over to other cargo places in the last month.
 
BobDDuck said:
Not specifically. We tried to get somethinglike that in our last contract but it didn't happen. There is a floor for the number of inter island block hours that must be flown for ohana to still operate but that number is very old and not really applicableto our current operation.



It may be in a bit, but not all areas will be hit as hard. Cargo still has to get moved. I know of 2 ohana guys that moved over to other cargo places in the last month.
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Speaking of which, Aloha Air Cargo 737 FO opening:



Looks like cargo will be the winner in this downturn. Weird how things change, I remember the talks online about Atlas's hiring practices and how they could have hired the FO after the IAH accident. Now Atlas probably has 500x the amount of normal applications and guys clawing to get a call.
 
roundout said:
AA has had at least two in recent days, including a 34 year old.

This is a public service announcement to utilize CIRP or your company's equivalent if you need someone to talk to. The FAA's archaic approach to mental health is not ok. Not being ok is perfectly ok and normal! There are safe, non-jeopardy resources available (though not as many as there should be).
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Say this again and way louder so the people in back can hear you.
 
Horrible to hear that folks are killing themselves over this. It's real and it is bad, but I'd submit death is a worse situation than being jobless. I know the human brain can rationalize a lot of crazy stuff, but man, this makes me sad.
 
NickH said:
Word on the street is they have had three suicides since the announcement, and may have reversed some of these? Any idea if there's truth to that?
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Suicides are a rumor, cabin crew and possibly one pilot. Fact is that lay-off meetings were halted for some reason. None of the pilot layoffs have been reversed that I know of.
 
We sadly had one FO commit suicide last year, with a group of several thousand you're bound to get bad ish like that, terminal illnesses, etc.
 
3 new extended leave options out at Alaska. Extended MIL leave, extended VLOA (up to 5 years) and extended ILs (50hrs/mo, full benefits, available for up to 24mo). Management and ALPA are currently working on an early-out option as well.

Have to say I was quite surprised hearing the news. Given our management’s history, I figured they would choose the easiest path forward to cutting costs and just furlough on October 1st (they still might). Instead they were open to creative solutions to hopefully mitigate/eliminate involuntary layoffs of pilots this fall. Our MEC did a heck of a job as well advocating for these on our behalf. Hats off to both parties!
 
@RMCBear08 @Skåning what’s the “extended” mil leave?
We get up to 5 years as it currently sits. No requirement for the company’s approval. Just curious if they extended it beyond 5 years for those currently out.
 
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