Furlough Estimates

NickH said:
SWA and the LCCs rely on the recreational traveler. There's a discussion about which comes back first. Short term with people spending their Trump bucks maybe, but if the economic situation continues as predicted, I wouldn't count on much recreational travel in the 6-36 month time frame. Interesting times...
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From the business customer side - we depend on reliable schedules. Lacking that, there is no point in getting on a plane. So we won't. Expect business demand to be close to zero for some time. Our customers understand, as they aren't going anywhere either. Probably 18 months of that. This is about risk and time, not money.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Im looking at it from the outside, but it really seems like a bad idea. I mean, don’t lie to everybody. But delta has a relatively happy workforce. Just seems weird to pee on the pool unnecessarily. Especially with their early move of not considering early retirements.
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Delta management has taken a peculiar approach to this. I think they Freaky Fridayed with AA management.
 
tcco94 said:
I thought Delta did the least international out of the big 3 and had JV's do a majority of flying. Something that was being negotiated. Nevertheless, still all 3 "rely" on international.
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the seedy underbelly to all the cash JV’s make Delta is they equally share the losses.
 
Dexter said:
the seedy underbelly to all the cash JV’s make Delta is they equally share the losses.
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Yes but that's not very relevant to discussing resuming own metal flying and our staffing projections. Or at least I don't see the correlation in comparison to United and AA international impact on their pilot staffing when my point was they do more international flying on their own metal. (At least that's what I thought I could be wrong)
 
tcco94 said:
Yes but that's not very relevant to discussing resuming own metal flying and our staffing projections. Or at least I don't see the correlation in comparison to United and AA international impact on their pilot staffing when my point was they do more international flying on their own metal. (At least that's what I thought I could be wrong)
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That's not the point.

Delta's balance sheet is going to get leveled by the amount of exposure they've developed by purchasing other airlines.

It was brilliant 6 months ago, but now is likely a liability.

Hard to staff an airline of all your investments go bankrupt and take the airline with it.

I'm not saying that will happen, but it's also not pretty.
 
jtrain609 said:
That's not the point.

Delta's balance sheet is going to get leveled by the amount of exposure they've developed by purchasing other airlines.

It was brilliant 6 months ago, but now is likely a liability.

Hard to staff an airline of all your investments go bankrupt and take the airline with it.

I'm not saying that will happen, but it's also not pretty.
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I guess I missed the point then. I agree and I wasn't defending it was good business or anything like that. I was replying to a comment about international demand decreasing will hurt those 2 legacies more. Which I wasn't thinking big picture, I was thinking more about staffing level demand. Now I see the point being made.

But if we are saying international JV's are going bankrupt (which one already has) then likely a lot of bankruptcies are still to come anyways.
 
tcco94 said:
I guess I missed the point then. I agree and I wasn't defending it was good business or anything like that. I was replying to a comment about international demand decreasing will hurt those 2 legacies more. Which I wasn't thinking big picture, I was thinking more about staffing level demand. Now I see the point being made.

But if we are saying international JV's are going bankrupt (which one already has) then likely a lot of bankruptcies are still to come anyways.
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Yup, it's not going to end well anywhere.
 
nc1982 said:
SJI displacement posted. Ugly. So in 4 months I went from being awarded captain to not being able to hold any FO seat. Wow this industry humbles you quick. Good luck to us all!!
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Sorry to hear that, hope this shakes out better than hoped for many still don't know that UNA will quite mean. Beers forever on me to anyone that hits the street.

Off to the CanaBus for me, feeling quite fortunate all things considered but gonna miss the 757 & 767 for sure.
 
AAPalmTree said:
This displacement at DL is over 7,000 training events? Seems a little too costly to the company.
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Yeah, perhaps another adjustment is due it doesn't quite add up. Perhaps this is them preparing for the worst case and we'll see more bids out soon or perhaps they have no freaking clue what they're doing. Leaning more toward the latter right now.
 
bike21 said:
Yeah, perhaps another adjustment is due it doesn't quite add up. Perhaps this is them preparing for the worst case and we'll see more bids out soon or perhaps they have no freaking clue what they're doing. Leaning more toward the latter right now.
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The fog of war seems to be going around. Our bid came out with a cover letter that said this will likely be cancelled.

Super bummer considering that our contract rules meant that no one on the list would be on the street until December, 1. But if it cancels it could mean October, 1.


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