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Furlough Estimates
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Unity is important, signing side letters allowing furloughs out of seniority order is cringy.
Seggy
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Truth be told, we are about to see if the ‘Back the Pac’ mantra worked as it was supposed to or if it was a giant waste of money.
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Seggy
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What happened?
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I'm going to let @AAPalmTree or @DeltaAlphaNovember comment so it isn't hearsay, but it got briefly mentioned a few pages earlier.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Why? Because the 'Pac' may support Trump on something good for the airlines? Oh the horror
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Why? Because the 'Pac' may support Trump on something good for the airlines? Oh the horror
No.
The PAC has been marketed the last decade as the thing we need to donate to to protect our careers. If there is not another Cares II Act and tens of thousands of ALPA Pilots are on the street, ALPA PAC will be a failure.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Why? Because the 'Pac' may support Trump on something good for the airlines? Oh the horror
I don't see it as that binary. The lobbying effort did a good job of getting us this far. Lots of guys would have already been on the street if the payroll protection hadn't made it in CARES 1.0, and that certainly wasn't going to happen before ALPA and AFA got involved.
That said, if they can't close the deal on 2.0, lots of people (even ones not getting furloughed) are going to day it wasn't worth it.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Wrong wrong wrong? Then why don't you tell me what's right, right, right. I'll wait. Cue a pro-Biden and Nancy argument.
I like how people are espousing spending trillions with a T like it is really no big deal. Every dollar spent will one day have to be paid back by us. Our kids kids kid will be paying this off.
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
With how steep this downturn is, it's probably a necessary evil to stave off an even worse Depression. Chances are most people on this website will be unemployed soon without more stimulus, with how hard the airlines are being hit. You could probably make a case that we'd rack up even more national debt in the long run without a generous stimulus package, from reduced tax revenues caused by an even deeper Depression.
Besides, people who haven't even been born yet are already on the hook for the trillions added to the National Debt by the Trump-Ryan-McConnell tax "reform" from 2017, but no one cares about that.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Nope. We've already established you are an idiot so I think I'll just post Scrubs gif responses instead. Way more satisfying.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
We cut more T's with the tax cut bill of 2017, but you aren't complaining about that. Stop being hypocritical.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Well hold on. Just because we donate to ALPA PAC does not mean we can win EVERY single piece of legislation that goes across the table. Nothing comes with a 100% guarantee of passing. And if CARES 2.0 fails, I don't see that is ALPA PAC failing. The way I see it, the 6 month bailout from CARES 1.0 was a freakin miracle in and of itself.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Incessant and unnecessary name calling. Zero meat for your argument, just personal attacks.
ALPA PAC is bipartisan. It could support either D or R, it just depends on who is supporting what issue. As much as it pains you to hear it, Trump is good for the airline industry.
AAPalmTree
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Search my post history. A out of seniority furlough could happen. It would be at the choice of the senior pilot.
Ha ha ha ha. Asking CC to not be hypocritical is like asking water to stop being wet!
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
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I wouldn’t call that out of seniority furlough. It’s just like the last time AA furloughed, with the stand in stead furloughs. I don’t understand the logic behind people saying the furloughs are out of seniority - the senior guy has the option to check the box and control their fate. No junior person will not be furloughed and a senior person furloughed unless the senior person desires a furlough.
