Furlough Estimates

[zVo]

Anyone remember IPX. International Parcel Express? Yeah, I didn't think so. The FAA got tired of UPS subcontracting everything. Something about operational control. This would have been around 88. UPS decides to buy a certificate so they buy this IPX airline that had a few DC-8's as a UPS subcontractor. The UPS seniority list started with like 30 guys flying a few DC-8's. Then the other subcontractors were brought in. Evergreen, Ryan, Interstate, and Orion, which were the other subcontractors. Next thing you know, UPS has an airline and a seniority list. An in-house union beat out the teamsters in 1990 and the rest is history.

I only bring this up because I think, as much as I hate them, Amazon is going to be a thing. Not sure if the Feds will force them to start their own airline but there is a fair amount of oversight directed at the FAA these days. I got hired at UPS in 1990 and it was not considered a good job by most. At least a quarter of my class bailed in the first year. So, my prediction is, Amazon buys Mesa.....

When does “operational control” become a thing? Amazon seems to be on that path, but where one draws the line, I have no idea.

Mesa is a possibility. What about Sun Country? An ATSG carrier (ATI or ABX)? Atlas (probably not)?

 

[deadstick]

So, my prediction is, Amazon buys Mesa.....

It took me awhile to find what I was looking for, but I recently read this article about -700 Combis. Mesa is slated for 400s, right? If you’re right, what’s the likelihood that Mesa being Mesa would try to scrape every penny of revenue out of a flight? It’d be like a ride-share with a courier service.

 

[roundout]

Mesa would try to scrape every penny of revenue out of a flight?

Any airline not applying outside-the-established-business-model thinking to bring in income right now is either ignorant or foolish.

 

[Beefy McGee]

I enjoyed every minute of the country club base. It is a real shame to see it get closed.

I'm still trying to figure out which Country Club member you were / are. You said you don't farm though. lol

Best base, best crews... DCA is good though too. Especially if you’re senior to me

We intend to bring our TYS influence into the other bases now. I'll see if I can get you honorary status.

 

[Skåning]

DHL subcontracted out all their flying when they were bigger in the US, then the feds didnt make them consolidate.

 

[m77y]

I thought PDT was severely short staffed before all this?

We are. We’re actually running a class of 3 new hires next month. I was told this last week so that may very well change.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

I'm still trying to figure out which Country Club member you were / are. You said you don't farm though. lol



We intend to bring our TYS influence into the other bases now. I'll see if I can get you honorary status.

Well I will give you a hint or two. I flowed in March 2018. I started in January 2008 at PSA.

 

[Flyinthrew]

We are. We’re actually running a class of 3 new hires next month. I was told this last week so that may very well change.

How big is a full up new hire class there?


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[Beefy McGee]

Well I will give you a hint or two. I flowed in March 2018. I started in January 2008 at PSA.

Does World of Warcraft have a significance for you?

 

[m77y]

How big is a full up new hire class there?


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Typically 15-20

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

Does World of Warcraft has a significance for you?

No. But I do have a PS4.

 

[BobDDuck]

I started in January 2008 at PSA.

That was not a great time to start at a regional. Did you get your 100 hours in before they furloughed you? I can't remember what month we started dumping guys.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

That was not a great time to start at a regional. Did you get your 100 hours in before they furloughed you? I can't remember what month we started dumping guys.

I did get my 100 hours. I only had about 3 full months of being on the line after IOE. It was definitely a bad time to start my airline career.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

So for the Eskimo Airways rumors:

1300+ took the early out, extended incentive leave options. Which may possibly save even the last guy on the list from furlough. We will all apparently find our our fate tomorrow sometime.

I went all in on the extended incentive leave options. Fingers crossed.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

So for the Eskimo Airways rumors:

1300+ took the early out, extended incentive leave options. Which may possibly save even the last guy on the list from furlough. We will all apparently find our our fate tomorrow sometime.

I went all in on the extended incentive leave options. Fingers crossed.

Impressive!

 

[amichael]

2000+ takers for the early out at Delta. Window closes at midnight.

 

[AAPalmTree]

2000+ takers for the early out at Delta. Window closes at midnight.

That’s great. The early out at DL was quality.

 

[Skåning]

So for the Eskimo Airways rumors:

1300+ took the early out, extended incentive leave options. Which may possibly save even the last guy on the list from furlough. We will all apparently find our our fate tomorrow sometime.

I went all in on the extended incentive leave options. Fingers crossed.

For the peanut gallery, 1300+ is about 42% of the pilot group requesting early retirement, paid or unpaid leaves. Dats a lot!
Tomorrow they will officially make the announcement of how many requests they'll approve.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

For the peanut gallery, 1300+ is about 42% of the pilot group requesting early retirement, paid or unpaid leaves. Dats a lot!
Tomorrow they will officially make the announcement of how many requests they'll approve.

With how this whole pandemic thing is being handled, I wouldn’t be shocked if they use a 1300


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[Skåning]

With how this whole pandemic thing is being handled, I wouldn’t be shocked if they use a 1300


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Yeah I hope so! You'd know better than I about ANC/SEA/PDX staffing, but i'm sure guys on our side will get all the leaves approved. They hate the A319/320 and having already perma parked half of them, staffing reflects that and they can only handle so much Guppy training for us since it takes so long.