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Eighteen Year Restoration - Then This
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Roger Roger
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The problem is that at some point there won’t be the expertise and the supplies to keep the airplanes flying. Shoot, it’s hard to find people and parts for stuff like Navajos, Conquests, etc. Modern manufacturing techniques and digitizing as much of the knowledge base as possible might postpone that day. However at some point it won’t be an operation intentionally shortcutting maintenance like the Collings folks did but simply a group of people who are in over their heads, and the FAA will decide that they no longer have the expertise to oversee these kind of operations to an acceptable (and I’m not talking airline or even 135) level of safety and just quit dealing with it. When that will be, who can say.
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
At what point do we decide it’s acceptable to relegate these things to a museum? Sure, it isn’t as cool as seeing them flying around....but do they still NEED to be flying around for us to remember history?
How many Sopwith Camels are still flying around? Or any WW1 aircraft for that matter? Are we just as upset about that as we are with some of these legacy WWII aircraft? The
I just don’t get it the outrage.
Roger Roger
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I don’t know. I think at this point reasonable people may have differing opinions on the issue and I don’t think it’s clear cut that we’re there or how close we are at the moment.
Skåning
Well-Known Member
There was a Ju 52 crash in Switzerland in 2018 that killed 20. Poor maintenance and piloting was to blame, kind of their version of our B-17 crash
www.flightglobal.com
Ju 52 fatal crash probe uncovers atrocious catalogue of safety violations
Swiss investigators have concluded, in a damning inquiry, that a Junkers Ju 52 on a pleasure flight stalled after the crew flew it into a narrow valley at low altitude, at a dangerously low airspeed and with its centre-of-gravity out of limits. The crew intended to exit the valley via ...
www.flightglobal.com
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
7 *mostly* originals and a bunch of reproductions
NovemberEcho
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Japan had both officer and enlisted pilots although about 90% were NCO’s. The Japanese military didn’t view pilots as having “command responsibilities” unless in charge of a squadron etc.
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USMCmech
Well-Known Member
That's fine, not everyone has the same taste in music either. What kind of airplane makes your jaw hit the floor?
OTOH, Seggy has been on record that Warbirds, Acrobatics, Alaska bush flying, 90% of light GA, (basically anything not 141 or 121) should be outlawed.
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Roger Roger
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Shoot, given what I’ve seen in 11 years of 135 and what I saw before that in light GA he might be more right than I’d like to admit. Oh well.
stroboli62
Well-Known Member
And....Presidential candidates from both parties...signed a 61 yr old low time Comml pilot...LOLOLOL
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Wait till you see some of the idiots working in pt 145 repair stations for the airlines.
Or some of the complete morons with M.D. behind their names.
Or the hacks in charge of .....
Or...
Or....
stroboli62
Well-Known Member
I'll fight ya...LOLOL
Concorde and FOD don't mix...and well Aerian (sp?) trying to go supaaaasonic again...wha't old is new....AGAIN...but less of of a sonic boom.....maybe..
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Adler
Guest
And this is the problem with the modern day Jetcareers forum. Finally, a thread about something aviation related, and still, it's turned into garbage. No longer is Jetcateers a place for likeminded people to interact, about work and hobby...lifestyle even. No longer is it a place to meet new friends, new instructors, new bosses. Modern day Jetcareers has become a place for @Seggy @jtrain609 @SlumTodd_Millionaire and @Cherokee_Cruiser to argue points which they know nobody will agree with, both aviation or political. For a while placing them on ignore made my experience so much better. Sadly though, it seems these trolls have angered so many people that the majority of posts forumwide are just counterarguments to those few antisocial monsters' relentless idiocy.
I've met so many incredible people and gained a wealth of knowledge through this forum. It really is sad what a few people done.
This feels like eulogy. I choose to remember Jetcareers through all the friends, the only downside was seeing @ChasenSFO 's snapchat pictures. Great things too like flying into Oshkosh with @Nark , hanging out in Mojave with @inigo88 , many Seattle or LAX layovers with @mikecweb , many weeks at Reno with Hacker, watching Warbirds in Chino thanks to @fholbert , so many Oshkoshs and South Florida aviating with @CFI A&P ... even eating Texan vietnamese sports bar dinner with Vaguepost King @Autothrust Blue .
I've met so many incredible people and gained a wealth of knowledge through this forum. It really is sad what a few people done.
This feels like eulogy. I choose to remember Jetcareers through all the friends, the only downside was seeing @ChasenSFO 's snapchat pictures. Great things too like flying into Oshkosh with @Nark , hanging out in Mojave with @inigo88 , many Seattle or LAX layovers with @mikecweb , many weeks at Reno with Hacker, watching Warbirds in Chino thanks to @fholbert , so many Oshkoshs and South Florida aviating with @CFI A&P ... even eating Texan vietnamese sports bar dinner with Vaguepost King @Autothrust Blue .
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Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
We are lucky to be alive after that, methinks.
Inverted25
Well-Known Member
The outrage is that if there are people who own them and have the funds to keep them flying then who has the right to tell them no. There are still plenty of specialty warbird MX shops out there to keep rebuilding and maintaining them. Hell the warbird operator by me is rebuilding a Trimotor right now from basically a data plate. It will be a all new airplane when it’s done.
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Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Airbus - you know, the manufacturer - say that airplane should not be flying either, incidentally. As neat as it would be to see one fly and despite how much I was bummed out at their retirement, I’m glad that the surviving airplanes are more or less permanently preserved. Because I can walk into MOF and see one, and be reminded that yes, indeed, supersonic people hauling was a routine thing once. And the surviving examples are literally impossible to replace.
There DOES come a point where the brain trust - be it regulatory, engineering (in the American sense), mechanical or flight operations - just isn’t there for a given airplane type to be operated acceptably. That brain trust for Concorde, for example, is rapidly dying; the thought of pulling one of those airplanes from a museum and making it airworthy is a “nah” proposition simply because of that.
Same comment and question, just as pertinent but perhaps with lesser force, for warbirds. With maintenance, oversight and “control” being key themes in what was otherwise hitherto a well-heeled operation, etc.
@USMCmech - the point is not the fatalities per passenger mile or per fleet flight hour or whichever metric that more or less can’t be used owing to the small size of the operation, at least, not for me with 9-0-9. The point to me is that that accident was absolutely and completely preventable.
(that one hit my social circles hard, which is why I’m semi-verklempt about it.)
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Well, at least that didn't take as long to crash, as the plane in the final scene of Dunkirk did.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
I’ve bumped into people like that. A weird kind of statist where anything not compulsory is forbidden.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
I remember when I was a kid I think there were only 2 actual airworthy zeros. I know on tradeaplane right now there is a restored zero that has the original engine in a crate but it has a Pratt and Whitney on the nose currently.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
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