DCI Pass Benefits

kellwolf said:
Oh, if these benes are as bad as they sound, Pinnacle's gonna need to run a job fair for FAs, gate agents and rampers.

A LOT of them are just here for the travel benefits. You can't abuse someone as much as this company does, yank the one reason why they're still choosing to work for you and expect them to say "Yay! Simply the Best!"
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I know 2 flight attendants personally that as soon as the announcement is made about the benefits they are walking out the door if it is true. I told them to do it at an outstation and rent a car and drive home.
 
pilotlight said:
I know 2 flight attendants personally that as soon as the announcement is made about the benefits they are walking out the door if it is true. I told them to do it at an outstation and rent a car and drive home.
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No kidding, man. I wouldn't blame them. It's not like they'd be able to non-rev home anyway. :)
 
hahaha.

And it seems just like yesterday we switched to four digits.

What a joke.

That said, is ASA switching too?
 
Well, for those that care:

Delta and Northwest will launch their integrated travel program on June 23, 2009.


Annual Activation Fee
In order to utilize your pass travel privileges, you must pay an Annual Activation Fee. A single $50 fee covers you and your eligible pass riders (Employee, Spouse, Domestic Partner & Dependents).

The annual activation fee is paid by credit or debit card on-line via Delta’s TravelNet program. (Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under Using Your Travel.)
The activation fee is paid annually based on the employee’s anniversary date with Pinnacle Airlines. Example: You have a hire date of March 1, 2009. You would like to travel after June 23, 2009 therefore you would pay your activation fee on or after June 23. After your anniversary date next year, March 1, 2010, you will be required to pay the activation fee again to continue pass travel privilege. The activation fee will not be prorated.
The activation fee is nonrefundable, even if the Primary Pass Rider loses eligibility before non-revenue leisure travel has been used.
The activation fee is not required for company business travel
Jump-seating - The Delta system will require you to pay the activation fee to flow back to a cabin seat. If you are seated in the cockpit, you will not be required to pay the activation fee. If you are seated in a cabin seat, normal non-revenue policy will apply. This includes jump-seat travel on Northwest, Delta and all connection carriers.

Eligible Pass Riders
As an active Pinnacle employee, you are considered the Primary Pass Rider for pass travel privileges. You will have a Primary Pass Rider (PPR) number assigned to you. The PPR number is a 9 digit number that will start with 3500 then your 5 digit Pinnacle employee number. If your Pinnacle employee number only has 4 digits, add a leading zero. If your Pinnacle employee number has only 3 digits add 2 leading zeros. You will need the PPR number to list on any flight within the Delta or Northwest system and to access Delta’s TravelNet self-service application. Instructions for TravelNet are explained later under the Using Your Travel section. The new travel program will offer travel to certain members of your family after paying a $50 activation fee. These family members include:

Spouse
Domestic Partner (Same or opposite gender). The domestic partner will be required to pay a yield fare to travel. (Explained later under domestic partner)
Minor dependent children under age 19
Dependent children age 19 up to age 23 are eligible if they have never been married and are full time students. Once a dependent turns 23, the dependent will no longer be eligible for pass travel as a dependent. Dependents that are currently 23 years of age will no longer have travel privileges effective June 23. This includes all travel within NWA and Delta systems.
Domestic travel for Employee/Spouse/Dependent
The employee, spouse and dependents will be allowed unlimited free travel in coach, first, or business class on all domestic flights regardless of job classification. The first and business class service charges charged by NWA will be eliminated.

International travel for Employee/Spouse/Dependent
Each eligible traveler (employee, spouse, and dependent) will be allowed 3 International flight days. International taxes apply and will be payroll deducted. One flight day is a calendar day on which a pass rider has traveled on a flight scheduled to depart on that calendar day. Regardless of the number of departures on a calendar day, as long as all flights flown are scheduled to depart on the same calendar day, the allotment will be decremented by only one flight day. For flight day purposes, the date of departure is determined by the scheduled (not actual) departure time.

Example 1: Tina departs ATL for CDG on July 5 Atlanta time. The flight arrives CDG on July 6 however this only deducts one international flight day because the flight departed on July 5. Arrival time/date does not affect international flight days. Tina returns to ATL on July 10. She arrives and departs in the same day. Another day is deducted for an international flight day. The round trip took 2 international flight days.

An International Fees Chart is located on the TravelNet home page under Resources > International Taxes and Fees. Use this chart to determine the approximate amount of international taxes for an international flight. After travel is complete, the international taxes can be viewed on TravelNet under “My Account” then click on Pass Charges.

After the allotted 3 international flight days are used, eligible travelers may continue to travel on international flights by purchasing ZED fare tickets. Travel to Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia, Central and South America will deduct against your International travel days. Unlimited travel is allowed to the Caribbean, Canada, and Mexico; however international taxes apply. Pass allotments can be found on TravelNet. When a day has been used, it will be reflected under “My Account” in TravelNet. If an eligible traveler uses more than their 3 international flight days, then the employee will be subject to a service charge by Delta and disciplinary action. The service charge will be determined by Delta and will be payroll deducted. The pass bureau will not have the ability to determine the service charge assessed by Delta. It is the employee’s responsibility to keep track of their international flight days for each of their eligible travelers.

Domestic Partner
Delta will allow opposite and same gender domestic partner travel starting June 23. The domestic partner’s dependent children will also be eligible. The domestic partner and domestic partner’s dependent children will be charged the yield fare rate. Yield fares must be purchased by credit or debit card through TravelNet prior to traveling. The yield fare averages from $0.02 to $0.04 per mile plus applicable taxes. To calculate the cost of a yield fare, the employee will need to list through TravelNet. The pass bureau will not have the ability to calculate yield fare rates. Fares must be obtained through TravelNet. The domestic partner is allowed unlimited travel on domestic flights at the yield fare rate. The domestic partner is allowed 3 international flight days at the yield fare rate. After the 3rd international flight day has been used, the domestic partner will need to purchase a ZED fare for international travel.

If listings are made through the toll free listing numbers then the payment process will vary. If you list for a Delta flight via the Delta toll free number, you will be prompted to pay for the ticket at the ticket counter prior to traveling. If you list for a NWA flight via the NWA toll free number, the fare will be payroll deducted after you travel. Toll free listing numbers can be found in the Q & A section.

Parents
Parent travel will now be at the ZED high rate for travel on all NWA and Delta flights beginning June 23.
Parents will no longer be in the NWA travel system effective June 23.
Parents will not be listed in Delta’s TravelNet program.
All ZED fare ticketing shells will be created by the Pinnacle Pass Bureau. Once a ticketing shell is created by the pass bureau, the parent can purchase the ticket at the NWA ticket counter. Tickets can not be purchased at the Delta ticket counter.
Parents will be required to purchase ZED fares for travel on Pinnacle, Northwest, Mesaba, Compass, Delta, Comair, ASA, Skywest, Chautauqua, Freedom, & Shuttle America flights.
ZED fares for travel on Delta and Northwest will be in economy coach class. First or Business class will not be allowed. If the flight is full in economy it will be the gate agent’s discretion to allow first or business class.
ZED fares are valid for 90 days
All unused ZED fare tickets should be sent to NWA to process a refund.
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So, we're a low priority, and our parents might as well just buy tickets at this point. They're on ZED high and dead last in boarding priority. International travel? 3 international travel days, and that's it. So, you get 1 1/2 round trips. After that, you have to use ZED fares. Why bother? I thought pass benefits were so you wouldn't need ZED fares? Might as well just go on another carrier at that point. Oh, and if you go over your 3 days and don't use a ZED fare, there's disciplinary action involved. I know, disciplinary action at Pinnacle? Who would've thought it? We also have to pay $50 just to jumpseat. Specifically says if you ride up front, you're okay, but if you get a seat in the back, you must have paid your $50 fee. I'd have no problem paying $50 a year for Delta travel benefits if they weren't so hideous. Domestic travel partners are going to a yield system, too. Buddy passes and the fly confirmed for less program are gone altogether.

I'd like to know what ASA, Chautauqua/Shuttle America, Skywest and Freedom's pass benefits with Delta are. The company is telling us the reason ASA and Skywest aren't getting totally hosed is b/c they have a permanent agreement with Delta. I tend to not buy anything the company tries to sell me......ever. Even if they did, why did our company not go for a permanent agreement. To see what Mesaba and Compass are getting and then read what we're getting makes me wanna camp out over at HQ with a high powered rifle. They're trying to push all the blame off and say "This is Delta's call" but I have a hard time believing that one, too.
 
Jump-seating - The Delta system will require you to pay the activation fee to flow back to a cabin seat. If you are seated in the cockpit, you will not be required to pay the activation fee. If you are seated in a cabin seat, normal non-revenue policy will apply. This includes jump-seat travel on Northwest, Delta and all connection carriers.
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Basically.... Dont jumpseat on DL. What a bunch of horse poop. This is how AE does theirs. I remember back when I was looking at getting hired and you could pick a base, I was going to pick ORD because I could jumpseat on UAL to get there. Pretty sad when you cant even get a free ride on your own company.

And 3 international travel days?!?! Thats a kick in the nuts.
 
v1valarob said:
Basically.... Dont jumpseat on DL. What a bunch of horse poop. This is how AE does theirs. I remember back when I was looking at getting hired and you could pick a base, I was going to pick ORD because I could jumpseat on UAL to get there. Pretty sad when you cant even get a free ride on your own company.

And 3 international travel days?!?! Thats a kick in the nuts.
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Problem is, if you're based in DTW, MEM, MSP or ATL, if you don't commute on NorthDelta, your options become VERY, VERY limited.
 
kellwolf said:
I'd like to know what ASA, Chautauqua/Shuttle America, Skywest and Freedom's pass benefits with Delta are. The company is telling us the reason ASA and Skywest aren't getting totally hosed is b/c they have a permanent agreement with Delta. I tend to not buy anything the company tries to sell me......ever. Even if they did, why did our company not go for a permanent agreement. To see what Mesaba and Compass are getting and then read what we're getting makes me wanna camp out over at HQ with a high powered rifle. They're trying to push all the blame off and say "This is Delta's call" but I have a hard time believing that one, too.
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ASA/SkyWest have a bulelt proof nonrev clause in their contract. They will always get on 1st on their own metal. I've heard that on CHQ,S5, and Freedom, it's DOH with Mainline on flights operated by those carriers, which i'm sure you guys are in the same catagory. I'm not sure about the other small print as far as parents and buddypass riders go. Delta is running this show as far as pass benefits. Delta controls the seats, so it calls the shots, which is why if you were to grieve it, Delta would win and that part of your contract would be nullefied. Welcome to teh suck!:rolleyes:
 
H46Bubba said:
ASA/SkyWest have a bulelt proof nonrev clause in their contract.
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Anyone want to send me a copy of that clause? We're getting the line from management and some of the guys over here that there's nothing that can be done about it. Seeing print that a precedent has already been set by another non-wholly owned DCI carrier would sure silence that.
 
kellwolf said:
Anyone want to send me a copy of that clause? We're getting the line from management and some of the guys over here that there's nothing that can be done about it. Seeing print that a precedent has already been set by another non-wholly owned DCI carrier would sure silence that.
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It was part of an agreement between Skywest and Delta that had become a standoff between the two. Originally, Delta wanted to do Skywest and ASA like they are doing everyone else. Mainline would have priority on the RJs. Skywest basically said that they would ban all non revving on their airplanes if it happened. THe outcome was mainline gets S3C on Skywest and ASA and Skywest and ASA get S3C on mainline, basically behind all other DCI employees.

It is up to your management to play hardball with Delta if you want better benis. Trying to force DL management on your own to give in will not work. Threatening to disrupt the operation will not work. Delta is looking for any reason to kick a regional to the curb. Get bad numbers because of this, and the axe will fall. Don't think that any regional is indispensable to Delta's operation.

I'm not trying to rub it in, just wispering in your ear to be careful with how you approach it. Without the full support of your management on this matter, don't expect a different outcome.
 
I thought this was pretty funny:

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Okay, need some help from my brothers at the other non-wholly owned DCI carriers (minus Skywest/ASA since you're a "special case" apparently). This is what management is telling us now:

The three are Delta employees, Delta Wholly Owned Regional Airlines and Delta Contract Carriers. We are a Contract Carrier and all of the Contract Carriers are being handled the same, with one notable exception. When Skywest bought ASA from Delta, Skywest was in a very strong position to negotiate some important terms. Two of the ones I am familiar with are that Skywest/ASA will get 80% of the Delta Connection flying in ATL, and an enhanced travel pass program for their employees. These tiered programs were no options for us to choose from they were assigned based on the criteria I mentioned earlier. Republic, Chautauqua, Shuttle, Freedom and Pinnacle were all on the same conference call with Delta and all told what the pass program would be.
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Are you guys at Freedom or Republic getting your Delta benefits slashed to the point your parents will travel on ZED high fares at an S4 priority, losing buddy passes, losing travel companions, having to pay $50 to jumpseat on your own aircraft if they're in the Delta system and the possibility of being bumped off your own carrier by a mainline employee (boarding priority is the same, but merged date of hire with Delta/NW/Pinnacle on ours. So, a 4 year ramper at Delta would bump me off a Pinnacle flight)?
 
Just remember, they consider your travel benefits (whatever is left of them) as part of your compensation model.

If they strip you of any travel benefits, I'd best be asking for significant increases in pay. Anywhere from 10-20% of your compensation model is considered "travel benefits."

Do the math.
 
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