Could You Land A Plane?

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None of you guys are exuding any confidence. One thing you wouldn't want to do in that situation is let fear or uncertainty take control. You gotta believe!
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There's confidence, and then there's stupidity. Thinking that I could just go from a C172 to a 747 is stupidity. Forget the 747, thinking that I could just go to an RJ is stupidity.

Saying that because I can fly a C172 means I can fly the heavy metal is like saying that because I can hit a high school pitcher means I can hit Randy Johnson. Actually, no, it's more like saying that because I can hit a slow pitch softball means I can hit Randy Johnson.

A man's got to know his limitations.
 
Hey, I never said it wouldn't be difficult or you wouldn't bang 'er up real good. But you guys have already defeated yourselves before you ever started!
 
Nope. I'm being realistic.

The approach speed on a MD-88 is what, Doug?

That number might very well be higher than Vne on a C172.

So, let's put it together. An approach speed that is likely faster than I've ever flown in cruise, or even a descent. An airplane that's much heavier. First time "flying" that airplane.

Not good odds.

Now, would I have a better shot than someone who's never done anything but ride an airplane? Of course I would.

But then, I'd have a better chance of hitting a Randy Johnson fastball than Stevie Wonder would. That doesn't mean I'd do it.
 
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Where is the auto pilot?

How do you turn it on?

Since I just turned it on, and now wer're in a descent, how do I turn It off?



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I'd use the radio and ask those exact same questions
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I have seen many -88's do a great 3 point landing.

Doug does the -90 have the same deal as the the -88 as far as having the nose wheel down before deploying thrust reversers.

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Realistically, no. But company procedure-wise no.
 
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Hey, I never said it wouldn't be difficult or you wouldn't bang 'er up real good. But you guys have already defeated yourselves before you ever started!

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I agree, if you are timid, and have no faith you already lost. It can be a fight, or flying an airplane. I imagine alot of it comes back to natural ability. So what did the old time pilots do? They got into a new plane, went up by themselves, no instructor, and all they had was a brief from the crew chief on flying characteristics. Imagine that, climbing into a mustang by yourself.
 
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The approach speed on a MD-88 is what, Doug?

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Roughly 140 indicated, depending on the landing weight and winds.
 
I think the difference between the 'old pilots' and the 'new pilots' was that for a long time, flying was considered an 'art'. You put the power where you need to put it to give you your desired performance and flew the wing to put the aircraft where it had to be.

A lot of the 'new pilots' think of power settings, configurations, pitch attitudes and other things that work great in a flight simulator, but almost work in the real world.
 
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Imagine that, climbing into a mustang by yourself.

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They killed a lot of people in training accidents that way, too.
 
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So what did the old time pilots do? They got into a new plane, went up by themselves, no instructor, and all they had was a brief from the crew chief on flying characteristics. Imagine that, climbing into a mustang by yourself.

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Many of the Tuskeegee Airmen learned to fly Mustangs that way. Most pilots would never admit that some planes can be flown that way!!!

I think that the problem that most pilots would encounter would be the technological hurdle that you'd have to overcome initially - the newer the plane, the higher the hurdle.
 
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Imagine that, climbing into a mustang by yourself.

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They killed a lot of people in training accidents that way, too. [/quote

Once again it comes back to natural ability. So many pilot think that the only indicator of their talent is hours logged.
 
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I'd use the radio and ask those exact same questions

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Okay, assuming the person can even find and operate the radio!
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Having flown thousands of heavy jet hours and having taught many in the sim and actual aircraft over the years, IMHO, a low time private pilot would more than likely do a lot of damage (best case)and more likely kill themselves and many others (worst case)in the process.

Telling me you've landed an XYZ aircraft in the sterile environment of a simulator with a qualified and competent instructor guiding your EVERY movement including configurating the aircraft versus being thrown into a real world situation is the difference between night and day.

If you threw me into an MD80/88 today, I would have my hands full just because of the differences in it and the jets I'm use to flying. Most guys first landing in sim training on the first day in a new aircraft type is not pretty. They get significantly better as training progresses but very few are acceptable the first time. These are generally folks with thousands of hours in large/heavy jets prior to the training and they have trouble in the beginning. Yet, some Microsoft flight simmers seem to think it's a piece of cake and think they would have no trouble with this task?!? This is the product of an overactive imagination.

You know, we all want to be the hero in the movie because the hero always comes out smelling like a rose. Unfortunately, life is not like the movies and "playing" pilot on the desktop is not like flying the real thing regardless of how many Holiday Inn Express hotels you've slept in.

I'll repeat (turning up the volume): MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIM IS NOT REAL...IT"S A GAME! DO YOU REALLY THINK A $50 GAME IS GOING TO REPLICATE THE ACTUAL FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS OF A $100+ million AIRCRAFT?

There are far too many variables, nuances and pressures that would probably completely overwhelm a person with low time and no jet experience the first time.
 
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I could do it no problem, with my eyes closed even!
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I could do it inverted
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I could do it no problem, with my eyes closed even!
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I could do it inverted
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Your still alive...
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Long time no post.
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Welcome back!


Matthew
 
I fly Piper Warriors, however my mate works in the C130J sim for the RAAF. I had a fly and landed the J on my first attempt
at SYdney airport.
It was a full motion sim and obviously very realistic.
I dare say id have a good crack at the real thing!
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I think if it eventually came down to it, I could at least give it one heck of a shot. It would be better that just sitting on my butt. If I could just get all the passengers, including me, down to the ground in one piece then I would know that I have accomplished something. Getting the aircraft to the ground in one piece is a totally different ball game.

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I could do it no problem, with my eyes closed even!
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I could do it inverted
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Your still alive...
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Long time no post.
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Welcome back!


Matthew

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Been flying almost every day, not enough time for JC.
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I still visit every day, just not much to post about latley
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