Colgan ALPA ?
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Cruise
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Actually, that's incorrect....at least at the moment. Not one person has been removed from the line to go to the schoolhouse for the Q. In fact, the first class (8 people) isn't scheduled until mid-Sept. The first Q isn't scheduled to be on property until sometime in Dec. So, to say the CAL flying has improved upward mobility is absolutely not true.
Now in time, that may be the case....but for now it hasn't done squat for us.
DE727UPS
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What TonyC said.....
Mad props to Seggy and the Cogan yes voters. You gave it your best shot. Maybe you scared them a little....hehe....
As to Xjet. I have to relate my personal experience as a customer. Last Sunday I had a company paid commercial from ONT to MCI. I had a choice of US Airways through PHX with a middle seat on the first leg. Or, Xjet non-stop. Same price to the company. I can tell you, from riding on Xjet a fair amount, that it's a much better value than what most people expect. The XM radio, free snacks and food, and no middle seats, have SWA beat hands down. Add to that, bypassing the connection in PHX last Sunday, and I gotta think Xjet will have a good base of repeat customers.
Mad props to Seggy and the Cogan yes voters. You gave it your best shot. Maybe you scared them a little....hehe....
As to Xjet. I have to relate my personal experience as a customer. Last Sunday I had a company paid commercial from ONT to MCI. I had a choice of US Airways through PHX with a middle seat on the first leg. Or, Xjet non-stop. Same price to the company. I can tell you, from riding on Xjet a fair amount, that it's a much better value than what most people expect. The XM radio, free snacks and food, and no middle seats, have SWA beat hands down. Add to that, bypassing the connection in PHX last Sunday, and I gotta think Xjet will have a good base of repeat customers.
wheelsup
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You're absolutely right, I should have written "have helped and will help".
Instead of understanding the point, you like to nit pick. That's cool, I see how you roll.
Are you saying that the CAL flying in Texas has nothing to do with the movement you've had there? I'm referring to the approximate (couldn't find a press release) 10 a/c out of IAH in 2005. That represented what, a 25% growth? See my point?
Baronman
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As you know, our current contract (with CAL) does not allow us to give a more favorable deal to another carrier unless we give it to them as well. To circumvent this, and to garner more business you'll see us entering in prorate agreements. This is how commuters used to operate prior to the Capacity Purchase Agreements. They assume more risk BUT can make more money doing it as well. The CPA have become the "crack" of the regional business...Easy money. I think you'll find more majors interested in returning to this prorate agreement.
wheelsup
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It does, up to 10 aircraft. Which is why you placed EXACTLY 10. If XJT thought they could've made more money doing shared why didn't they do it all. I'm in total disagreement with your assessment. There was a thread on this not too long ago on here.
ERfly
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Colgan guys (that took the time to make it better),
When BD (XJT MEC Chair) called me yesterday, I was heartbroken. I was marveled by the hard work of all you guys.
Mark and the rest of the OC, I was proud to say I was able to help out with you guys. I wish you all the best of luck with whatever happens.
Apathy among pilots just pisses me off. When we have a vote here, my first question to someone when they start to bitch is, "Did you vote?" If they answer "no", then I respond with "Shut the f&*^ up!"
When BD (XJT MEC Chair) called me yesterday, I was heartbroken. I was marveled by the hard work of all you guys.
Mark and the rest of the OC, I was proud to say I was able to help out with you guys. I wish you all the best of luck with whatever happens.
Apathy among pilots just pisses me off. When we have a vote here, my first question to someone when they start to bitch is, "Did you vote?" If they answer "no", then I respond with "Shut the f&*^ up!"
Cruise
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Whoa big fella.....instead of getting testy, you could've just said that's what you meant. I'm sorry you feel the need to be on the defensive here.
I was just pointing out a fact...not nit picking. Nothing more, nothing less. That's not how I roll.
Also, if you're suggesting the 10 a/c in IAH helped my career progress....you're absolutely correct, it enabled me to get hired here. But, it hasn't done much in terms of my advancement w/in the company. Until very recently, upgrades have been stagnant. Only because of the overall industry increases in hiring have the upgrades moved forward. In fact, in terms of recent company history, my class has been in the right seat longer than most, if not all classes.
SmitteyB
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Forgive my ignorance- but you absolutely truly believe that?
What exactly do you forsee happening? And what are the words about Colgan pilots resigning?
wheelsup
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Wasn't getting testy. I messed up! You corrected me
.C'mon, it was nit pickyI was just pointing out a fact...not nit picking. Nothing more, nothing less. That's not how I roll.
. OK by this point I was a little testy. My bad.I'm not suggesting just you. I'm saying overall. Again, big picture here. C'mon man, keep up with me
.What's in store for you with Pinnacle? It almost looks like they want to keep them two separate companies. Let you guys do your thing and let the NWA side of things do theirs. Although ALPA didn't go thru, and it's disappointing, you do have some things to look forward to over there. Colgan was bought because Pinnacle wants to expand, and they want Colgan to do the expansion. It's a good place to be in right now.
OldTownPilot
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Wow, 4 votes. That stings....alot.
The Colgan guys will get what they asked for. Pinnacle's LAX staffing is now solved. Staple to colgan guys...no fences. All the Colgan CAs will be displaced out there.
As much as people rag on mesa. They have an enforceable contract. The pilots have a way to negotiate a better contract. Colgan pilots have NOTHING.
The Colgan guys will get what they asked for. Pinnacle's LAX staffing is now solved. Staple to colgan guys...no fences. All the Colgan CAs will be displaced out there.
As much as people rag on mesa. They have an enforceable contract. The pilots have a way to negotiate a better contract. Colgan pilots have NOTHING.
Nick
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Ten first officers quit immediately after the vote results were announced.
Maximilian_Jenius
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People who subsrcibe to your thinking, night think that working for peanut, but having a fast upgrade is good.
But what happens if something 9/11-esque occurs again. And airlines, even regionals stop hiring and upgrading, and you're vstuck there at XYZ airline for 5-8 yrs. with no growth, and frozen pay rates.
What then?
TonyC, good to see you posting here again. Thanks for supporting my buddy Mark out with his union drive.
Yea, people you read right!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Yesterday was a very disappointing and unexpected end to the Colgan organizing effort. Everyone expected this to be almost a sure thing. Unfortunately, too many pilots were apathetic about their careers and their profession. The current and future Colgan pilots will suffer because of that apathy.
With that said, Seggy and the rest of the Organizing Committee share absolutely zero blame in this unfortunate outcome. As a former member of the Pinnacle MEC, I had the privilege to work with the Colgan OC on many occasions during their organizing drive. Seggy and the rest of the committee members worked tirelessly on this drive, and they have nothing to be ashamed of. They risked their own jobs by going into the crew rooms and the terminals and spreading the word about unionizing. They did everything that they possibly could have done. All Colgan pilots should thank Seggy and the rest of the OC for all of their hard work.
As TonyC said, keep the faith. This isn't the end at all. ALPA will be back, and Colgan pilots will be union members. This is only a speed bump on the road of progress.
With that said, Seggy and the rest of the Organizing Committee share absolutely zero blame in this unfortunate outcome. As a former member of the Pinnacle MEC, I had the privilege to work with the Colgan OC on many occasions during their organizing drive. Seggy and the rest of the committee members worked tirelessly on this drive, and they have nothing to be ashamed of. They risked their own jobs by going into the crew rooms and the terminals and spreading the word about unionizing. They did everything that they possibly could have done. All Colgan pilots should thank Seggy and the rest of the OC for all of their hard work.
As TonyC said, keep the faith. This isn't the end at all. ALPA will be back, and Colgan pilots will be union members. This is only a speed bump on the road of progress.
JBUCREW
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Nothing good who's gonna back them up when it comes to merging the sen lists?
Pinnacle is not going to keep Colgan running the way things are right now... There will be no more out-station bases, from what I hear it will be BOS/LGA/IAD/EWR/IAH. Pinnacle does things as cheap as possible, and they will pinch Colgan for every penny they can..... It sucks I have friends who work at Colgan I hate to see it happen.
H46Bubba
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Will there be any retribution to the Colcan OC by management? I hope not. I'm proud of you guys and I'm sorry things didn't pan out. Now's the time to take the lessons learned and get ready for another vote in 364 days. For those that voted no or didn't vote(same ####ing thing), when the #### starts hitting the fan and you start complaining, just shut the #### up, bend over and take it like you earned it!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Pretty much ditto what JBUCrew said. Keep in mind, PCL's #1 aim right now is to protect our pilots on our seniority list from a whipsaw. If that means the Colgan guys might get stapled to the bottom.....well, let's just say it might actually happen. With ALPA, there would have been a process in place to merge the seniority lists. That's not there now. I'm pretty sure our scope grievance was held off a while to give Colgan a chance to give ALPA a run. It's still in the preliminary stages right now, and I doubt they'll hold back now. It's not a punishment thing towards the Colgan pilots for not voting ALPA, it's a protection thing for the PCL guys to keep Uncle Phil and Co from saying "Oh, you want more money? Well, these planes are gonna go to Colgan. Oh, and they'll fly them for this amount of $$$ or they'll find other jobs."
Oustation basing is probably gonna be a thing of the past eventually as well. Don't expect the crew scheduling, dispatch and mx to stay separate long, either. It costs money to keep that stuff separate. If they can save 10 cents by combinging them, they'll do it.
I know how crappy Pinnacle would be without our contract. In fact, the company takes advantage of guys that don't know the contract all the time. You'll see guys getting illegal assignments from scheduling on a daily basis around here, but they don't know any better. At Colgan, those assignements WOULDN'T be illegal, they'd just suck and you'd have to do them.