C550 down in California French Valley Airport

SteveC said:
It's that just a general observation, or are you speaking to the accident aircraft specifically?
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I had the same thought, but realized they’re talking about another post referencing other operators flying with handheld GPS devices on the glare shield. The GTN750 is very much capable of the LPV approach, I’ve done it with that equipment in two different airframes.
 
derg said:
Or cancelling IFR into an airport that was certainly in IMC. Unless he really didn’t check the weather.

I’m curious about fuel reserves which may have added to the pressure to make French valley.
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Based on other posts the plane was based at French Valley and the pilots were borrowing it to take their significant others and friends to Vegas, so…

“Get-the-jet-back-to-the-hangar-in-time-for-the-charter-tomorrow-morning-so-the-boss-isn’t-mad-at-us-itis”?
 
inigo88 said:
Based on other posts the plane was based at French Valley and the pilots were borrowing it to take their significant others and friends to Vegas, so…

“Get-the-jet-back-to-the-hangar-in-time-for-the-charter-tomorrow-morning-so-the-boss-isn’t-mad-at-us-itis”?
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I’ve seen stuff like this. Mostly just glad I never gave in to stupidity, never thought the boss was my friend and most of all that I don’t work there anymore.

There’s still stupidity around profit sharing where I work but it’s fairly benign compared to 91/135.


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Wardogg said:
You dont know why people rich enough to charter a jet might go to vegas in the middle of the night for a few hours and then hop back home before day break?
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Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
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Influencers of smoking holes in the ground!


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FlyingAccountant said:
Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
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A depressing symptom of our society these days
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Spending two hours RT in an airplane, even a private jet, to spend three hours in Vegas doesn't sound like fun to me, no.

Then again, after looking at the co-pilot's wife's Insta, this trip was probably less about practicality and more about, "let's do this because we can while giving us good superficial material for our social media".
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Lol, I literally did this to hitch a Challenger ride to LAS with @DPApilot and meet up with @derg and others in LAS for about 3 hours even tho it meant one-way tickets home on the last Southwest flight for $250+ one way because it was the day before Thanksgiving. Several of my friends did the same. I wouldn't say this surprises me at all, especially with everyone in their 20s and 30s and the jet likely being paid for to whatever extent. If I had the resources to jet out to LAS at 10PM to do an activity with my buddies then be in my own bed by 5 or 6AM, hell yeah I would lol. Different strokes for different folks.

Then again, America West used to have a whole ass (you can totally say ass on here) "Bright Lights" hub in LAS where between 0500-2100 they only had flights to some major cities here and there, but then between 2100-0330 they had departures all across the US. Seeing as a lot of the stuff like LAS-SMF/SFO/OAK/PDX/SJC/SBA/BFL/FAT/LAX/RNO/ONT etc got in between 0130-0330 local and they did it for about 2 decades, I'd guess it wasn't rare for even salt-of-the-earth 121 pax to go on a several hour bender then come home.

Now, doing that and then flying yourself home in a clapped-out analog Citation being younger and new-ish to the jet with that weather...that I don't get lol. Assuming there were fatiguing or impairment factors.
 
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obx said:
Interesting that they both only had commercial certs vs ATPs. Two thoughts, they must have been pretty low time to not have been issued ATPs on their type rides. And, secondly, I’m surprised that a 135 operator (I’m assuming they worked for a 135 outfit based on a previous post) can insure the PIC of a jet like this with such low time.
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Looking at the planes on the certificate, I'd guess the lack of ATP is more likely budget related. The Citation wouldn't be heavy enough to qualify for ATP-CTP course. They'd have to do that separate vs just getting types in the Citation. We don't know yet whether this is 91 or 135. So possibly a case of why spend the money if not required for the operation?
 
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SrFnFly227 said:
Looking at the planes on the certificate, I'd guess the lack of ATP is more likely budget related. The Citation wouldn't be heavy enough to qualify for ATP-CTP course. They'd have to do that separate vs just getting types in the Citation. We don't know yet whether this is 91 or 135. So possibly a case of why spend the money if not required for the operation?
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It sounds like the Citation was on a certificate, but neither of the two pilots were legally PICs for the certificate, plus their friends and family were riding on a flight in the middle of the night….

Sure sounds like it wasn’t an authorized flight by the certificate holder, which will be an awkward conversation with the FSDO about operational control.
 
CFI A&P said:
It sounds like the Citation was on a certificate, but neither of the two pilots were legally PICs for the certificate, plus their friends and family were riding on a flight in the middle of the night….

Sure sounds like it wasn’t an authorized flight by the certificate holder, which will be an awkward conversation with the FSDO about operational control.
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That would be an interesting operational control conundrum. Let's say the owner gives them permission to fly and they do not have the experience to understand that they still have to clear the flight with the management company.

*This is all speculation of course.
 
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