Bye bye, KCM

[bike21]

Does nothing for us north ramp kitty cats. They have closed "our" KCM for who knows how long. Now have to go to CP 3 KCM, though that one on the right has a real easy shortcut to the front of Pre Check and they aren't weird dicks about letting you use it rather than General like they were at CP5. Had them try to tell me that because I was randomed, I couldn't use it unless I had a blue card, which they didn't issue to people. Fortunately the mil ID came in handy that day

That's a bummer, my recent move down south is just go through the pre-check line that spits out at A3 when I'm walking from the hotel. Straight to the front of the line and I don't have to worry about the mess around the KCM line.

 

[Roger Roger]

I think I would rather clear security in JNU and commute 2.5 hours than deal with that mess.

 

[derg]

That's a bummer, my recent move down south is just go through the pre-check line that spits out at A3 when I'm walking from the hotel. Straight to the front of the line and I don't have to worry about the mess around the KCM line.

I stay at the Westin in DTW and use the security at the hotel. I generally use CLEAR+ after arriving rather than deal with KCM in DTW because I just don’t feel like being bitched at by opposite direction hallway traffic about getting randomed.

“AHH! Got randomed, you’re WELCOME, huh!”

“Not my clown, not my circus, Bruv.”

 

[bike21]

I think I would rather clear security in JNU and commute 2.5 hours than deal with that mess.

Yeah, DEN has it's own issues too but generally I avoid SEA security via the commute too.

@derg CLEAR+ is the jam. As soon as I get the random off to the CLEAR line and no (fewer) shenanigans.

 

[Roger Roger]

Also, beef has it correct-SFO kcm is top tier. Even better in the old T2.

 

[bike21]

Also, beef has it correct-SFO kcm is top tier. Even better in the old T2.

SLC as well.

 

[arkflyr]

Yeah, DEN has it's own issues too but generally I avoid SEA security via the commute too.

@derg CLEAR+ is the jam. As soon as I get the random off to the CLEAR line and no (fewer) shenanigans.

Since I'm out at airside in DEN I've been just skipping KCM, self selecting and cutting the precheck line at south security. I may have to check this CLEAR thing out, do you just walk south and in at the security entrance?

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

While AT work? That sounds like a FFDO issue. I’m against that program.

Guns is probably more pilots than FAs. But drugs? Drug running? That’s a more FA issue.

We haven't gotten any word about it. Hopefully it was not an FFDO issue. If it was that individual needs to be kicked out of the program and face civil and criminal penalties.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Also, beef has it correct-SFO kcm is top tier. Even better in the old T2.

You guys have it even better now? I was referring to the old T2 procedure where if randomed they just swabbed your hands and you put your bag in the employee only xray machine with no one in line.

Fantastic.

SEA is a continual nightmare of random construction and KCM checkpoint moves. The latest is they closed the closest flying bridge walkway from the garage to the terminal and the employee bus stop.

 

[Roger Roger]

You guys have it even better now? I was referring to the old T2 procedure where if randomed they just swabbed your hands and you put your bag in the employee only xray machine with no one in line.

Fantastic.

SEA is a continual nightmare of random construction and KCM checkpoint moves. The latest is they closed the closest flying bridge walkway from the garage to the terminal and the employee bus stop.

No sorry-what I meant is new SFO is top tier, but the old T2 was even better. Some folks will still go through there and walk to T1

 

[bike21]

Since I'm out at airside in DEN I've been just skipping KCM, self selecting and cutting the precheck line at south security. I may have to check this CLEAR thing out, do you just walk south and in at the security entrance?

I typically commute sans uniform so my jam is to first hit south KCM if there isn't a big line. Then depending on line status/random I head to the north side actually. That way I can use the north KCM since no one hardly uses it or if I've been randomed then I can stroll right into the CLEAR line there. Going north adds a few minutes but easier out of uniform.

Also, south CLEAR isn't pre-check so there's that.

edit to add; if you're in uniform the small south pre-check is fairly easy to jump in I believe.

 

[derg]

We haven't gotten any word about it. Hopefully it was not an FFDO issue. If it was that individual needs to be kicked out of the program and face civil and criminal penalties.

Oh, we’ve had an extreme issue with an FFDO at my shop.

I wonder how that trial is going.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Oh, we’ve had an extreme issue with an FFDO at my shop.

I wonder how that trial is going.

Oh yeah that guy. LOL.

Starting to think as a whole we don't deserve this program.

 

[derg]

Oh yeah that guy. LOL.

Starting to think as a whole we don't deserve this program.

People are still “limbs akimbo” that I sat on that story for a year and kept my mouth shut.

Most people get some privileged details about something and swiftly tell their buddies “Hey man, don’t tell anyone I told you this, but…” NDAs are NDAs.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

People are still “limbs akimbo” that I sat on that story for a year and kept my mouth shut.

Most people get some privileged details about something and swiftly tell their buddies “Hey man, don’t tell anyone I told you this, but…” NDAs are NDAs.

I've only had to sign one.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

We haven't gotten any word about it. Hopefully it was not an FFDO issue. If it was that individual needs to be kicked out of the program and face civil and criminal penalties.

I’ve said the same for idiots who violate KCM with illegal contraband/items.

 

[scramjet]

I stay at the Westin in DTW and use the security at the hotel. I generally use CLEAR+ after arriving rather than deal with KCM in DTW because I just don’t feel like being bitched at by opposite direction hallway traffic about getting randomed.

“AHH! Got randomed, you’re WELCOME, huh!”

“Not my clown, not my circus, Bruv.”

Off topic, but that DTW Westin has become my commuter hotel 95% of the time. Worth the premium, especially on those cold, early AM reports.

 

[derg]

Off topic, but that DTW Westin has become my commuter hotel 95% of the time. Worth the premium, especially on those cold, early AM reports.

Damned right!

 

[BobDDuck]

I knew the day would come.

When we first got it, we protected it like Sméagol does “The Precious”.

Then we added cabin crew shortly thereafter, which was fine, but the lower “cost” of entry in the profession wasn’t addressed.

Then the program expanded somewhat and people that weren’t flight crew had access to it (ahem, Skyw…nah, not going to go there)

Then the program expanded.

So the people that knew what life was like before KCM became the old curmudgeons. “Oh shut up gramps, it’s fine” when you’d see pilots basically drag all their travel companions belongings through KCM to avoid screening.

Then the guns, the knives, the contraband, the smuggling of drugs…

I don’t want to say I’m not shocked but there are so few people in the industry that knew what hell it was before we got the KCM system that don’t understand that all of the benefits aren’t “built-in” and have actively protected and if you bring contraband in, either willfully or not, we’ve done zero self-policing amongst ourselves.

It doesn't seem that long ago that CrewPass went live at CHS and BWI (and maybe PIT?). It was life changing though after years of getting dirty looks for cutting the line.

 

[killbilly]

It doesn't seem that long ago that CrewPass went live at CHS and BWI (and maybe PIT?). It was life changing though after years of getting dirty looks for cutting the line.

Interesting. I’m always embarrassed and deeply apologetic cutting ahead in the line when I need to but everyone has always, every time, been really nice about it. Never gotten a single dirty look doing it.