Any charters DH/repo LA area to DFW Sunday or Monday?

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Boris Badenov said:
I think he might be referring to the dreaded internet-phenomenon of "scab-creep". Wherein everything anyone does that someone else doesn't like suddenly becomes "scabbing". Which, it turns out, has a very clear and succinct definition. To wit, "crossing a picket line".
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Nobody called him a scab.

Several people implied that he was an idiot.

You can be one without being the other, however you can't be the other without being the one.

I think you know which is the one and which is the other.
 
A friend of mind got relocation assistance including paid for movers when he got a job in NYC. He has moved twice - once from CA to VA, and from VA to NY for jobs, and moving has been paid for.


Man I should get a comp sci degree.
 
DE727UPS said:
I'm saying you lost me at "shut up you scab" in Derg's living room. Actually, you lost me a long time ago with your repeated insults to users here. The last one just put me over the edge. Enjoy....
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So in another thread you are stating how 'you are concerned about the future of this industry by some of these posts', yet when one is called out for a commenting on a compensation issue while they showed a willingness to scab, the person pointing out the hypocrisy is the one that has the issue?

Also, who else have I repeatedly insulted here? @amorris311?
 
MikeD said:
A note on this whole idiotic scabbing thing: If someone crossed a picket line or worked struck work; then they merit the title. If they were thinking of it, mulling it, whatever, but never actually did it, then the term doesn't apply.

So figure out which one it is. That is all.
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@MikeD and @Boris Badenov , what @BobDDuck said. @I_Money is NOT a scab. However, when you post a dissertation and willingness to do so, how do you think some people like myself are going to react when they then post about pilot compensation issues? If he posted something about horses in the lav, I would not have bothered to reply. But if he wants to post about compensation issues, after I know what he was going to do, no way will I sit quietly in the corner.

@MikeD, the sensitivity to this issue for some is similar to that of those who say they are military and aren't to someone like you, if that puts it into perspective.
 
cencal83406 said:
A friend of mind got relocation assistance including paid for movers when he got a job in NYC. He has moved twice - once from CA to VA, and from VA to NY for jobs, and moving has been paid for.


Man I should get a comp sci degree.
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...and then fly airplanes? :p
 
you said that if we were more efficient, then we may be able to be paid more (compensation). Which would be the case, if all things were equal...unfortunately, we might be more efficient, but that means the owners will be paid more most likely.
 
I_Money said:
Am I the only one confused how an ethical dilemma posted in the Lav is connected to pilot compensation?
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Are you serious? You deleted said thread in the lav so no one can read exactly what you said. If you can't see how the two are connected then I guess you don't read anything on this site regarding concessions, bankruptcies, mergers in the past decade. Seeing that you've been a member for over a decade, I find that hard to believe. You also stated earlier that you were thinking about becoming a pilot flying around the friendly skies. Then with the horrible compensation you couldn't bring yourself to it. Now you are sitting here coaching us on how we are inefficient and that's the reason why we are paid so little.
So back to your question, you have a hard time seeing it because you put yourself first and don't care about the consequences others will reap because of your decisions. Many have said here that if he is going to training and its out of base then the company should foot the bill. You don't agree with that. Then others have said if he's going to initial it should be on him. I think you agree with that because the company doesn't spend any money. The spirit of this site I thought was networking and seeing how all the facets of aviation work together. We all work extremely had to get to the end game and would like to be paid for our skills. I don't think you see the correlation and that's why people and members of this site give you such a hard time.
 
My point was actually that if you don't work to be as efficient as possible can you expect more pay? While the employee relations at the airlines stink, seperating yourself from that goal in my opinion is self destructive behavior.

I don't disagree that if it's not your base then your air fare and accommodation should be covered. I also agree that airline management stinks and you guys are being screwed -
 
I_Money said:
My point was actually that if you don't work to be as efficient as possible can you expect more pay? While the employee relations at the airlines stink, seperating yourself from that goal in my opinion is self destructive behavior.

I don't disagree that if it's not your base then your air fare and accommodation should be covered. I also agree that airline management stinks and you guys are being screwed -
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Ok let's separate the two. The original poster I think works for 91 operator maybe even 135. Two totally different worlds when it comes to regulations and contracts. Our resident corporate guys have said here that "the man" should pay for the training costs if its out of base. Rereading the original post it seems that he is going to recurrent, maybe I'm reading to much into it. Unless his recurrent is in base we all agree that the company or owner should pay for transportation. In the airline world this is usually spelled out in the contract.
Now lets get back to your efficiencies thought. Explain to me how an airline pilot can be more efficient. Everything is spelled out and original thought on deviating from what's spelled out is usually frowned upon. I understand this when you are dealing withi thousands of employees. Makes things more uniform. In the 91 world I don't know how things operate so I'm not going to even try and guess where they come up with efficiencies. Some have said they book hotels on the cheap and same with rental cars. I guess I'll give you that? Point being I don't think you know enough about the operations to sit here and pass judgment or even comment about efficiencies. Remember you don't even work in the field and your ideas of effiencies might very well be illegal when it comes to the FAR's.
 
I_Money said:
My point was actually that if you don't work to be as efficient as possible can you expect more pay? While the employee relations at the airlines stink, seperating yourself from that goal in my opinion is self destructive behavior.

I don't disagree that if it's not your base then your air fare and accommodation should be covered. I also agree that airline management stinks and you guys are being screwed -
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Do you actually believe that a pilot working as efficiently as possible (lets say in 135 or 91 ops) is going to get himself a raise or even a bonus and that extra profit monies just won't go into the pockets of owners/management? That's one of the funniest things that I have ever read on here.

And 121 pay has nothing to do with that scenario. Your pay is by years at work/equipment/rank and contract. Do you actually think that CEOs sit around during contract negotiations and say, wow these guys are saving us x amount of dollars a year by doing xyz we should give them a raise? ROTFL! have you ever read the financials of the carriers and seen the profits, the expenditures, and what the guys at the top of management made/make and what they paid to their employees in comparison, what they did to their employees while they are crying about how broke they are??

What about all the "temp" pay cuts that pilots received and were promised that they would get back and never got them back or got a part of them back years later and still puts them in the hole from where they were? Oh yeah that was their fault right? Do you even realize/know what UAL did to their employees when they had them make huge cuts/concessions and promised them they would be "owners" in the company? How did that work out after the employees complied and humped their butts?
 
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While the exact details of ways 91, 135 and 121 guys can increase efficiency is beyond my knowledge the attitude that set that start this off was 'make them pay'.

I think one of the ways my professions is so intertwined with leadership is taking ownership of these issues - there are more front end workers in high ranking positions which I believe have made all negotiations and employee relations better.
 
Let us know when nursing works the same as aviation, when you spend as much money/time on education/training and as many years to get somewhere in that profession as pilots have, have been screwed multiple times in multiple ways - not due to anything you or your fellow workers did or had any control over and when you are treated the same as pilots are/have been. You are comparing two different industries/professions which have no correlation/history to one another whatsoever.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Do you actually believe that a pilot working as efficiently as possible (lets say in 135 or 91 ops) is going to get himself a raise or even a bonus and that extra profit monies just won't go into the pockets of owners/management? That's one of the funniest things that I have ever read on here.
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Yes.

And it's not profit monies in a 91 department. 91 departments don't make profits.
 
I_Money said:
While the exact details of ways 91, 135 and 121 guys can increase efficiency is beyond my knowledge the attitude that set that start this off was 'make them pay'.

I think one of the ways my professions is so intertwined with leadership is taking ownership of these issues - there are more front end workers in high ranking positions which I believe have made all negotiations and employee relations better.
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I hate to even comment on this Charlie Fox of a thread, but wasn't your company about to have a strike, and that is where some angst came up in regards to your position on said strike?

I wouldn't call that better employee relations...
 
But why aren't more pilots involved in leadership? I doubt there is anyone who knows the front end of the business better..........
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Yes.

And it's not profit monies in a 91 department. 91 departments don't make profits.
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I understand that. Could have been exactly specific and said no matter what you are going to do for the company in some way to save them money does not mean that, that savings is going to be automatically relegated to you in terms of a pay raise or bonus in 91. Typing/thinking in a hurry.
 
I_Money said:
But why aren't more pilots involved in leadership? I doubt there is anyone who knows the front end of the business better..........
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They already are. What leadership roles do you believe are available for pilots beyond what already exists and what makes you think that management cares or is open to other roles/more involvement from their pilot groups in general?
 
A Life Aloft said:
I understand that. Could have been exactly specific and said no matter what you are going to do for the company in some way to save them money does not mean that, that savings is going to be automatically relegated to you in terms of a pay raise or bonus in 91. Typing/thinking in a hurry.
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It's not automatic, but it isn't unheard of. No two 91 flight departments operate in the same manner when it comes to compensation and bonuses. Hell, there was a thread on another site about expenses on the road, and even I was surprised how many different ways it's handled.
 
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