American Eagle told to play ball or become Comair-II

Derg said:
Everyone mellow the hell out.

Yes it sucks, yes everyone's stressed out, but at the end of the day the company doesn't care if you're angry, bitter and fighting amongst one another.

They don't care.

To them, it's like watching midgets wrestle.

You will absolutely end up across the table from someone you have an internet fight with. Guarantee.
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:rolleyes:What he said :rolleyes:...... BUT I prefer Rodney's way. It's more effective. :cry: Touches the heart man, you know?!


 
mikecweb said:
Look around you'll find some "snow" on that end of town.
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Firebird2XC said:
You were a puppet delivering company-friendly brainwashing.

Wake up! You just admitted that somebody not toeing the line of a particular agenda was FORCED out by underhanded methods. I wasn't trying to avoid work- I asked for funds for my committee to do work and was consistently denied them until I resigned in frustration.

Tony called me in August of 11 and offered to back me for the SPC chair to push a political rival of his out of office. I declined but avoided saying I wasn't going to be his puppet. So they installed Hector, who took to such lovely things as modifying my schedule without even telling me. And I guess I know where those funds I wanted to build the P2P committee went- Hector drank them all by running up thousand dollar bar tabs and leaving pilots to foot the bill.

You were a stooge. You think you just fell into that Comm chair for no reason? That it was vacant for no reason? WAKE UP. We got railroaded through the bankruptcy concession process and Tony drove the train. You think it's a coincidence the MEC chairs so graciously declined a reelection bid?

They served their own interests, and in that, I refused to participate once I got wise.

So don't tell me we're buddies when you smear me publicly about things where you know NOTHING while you cower and encourage fear among my fellow pilots.

Your cowardly bootlicking serves no good purpose. Be quiet.

As for being enemies, I don't see you as one. Calling you an enemy would at least credit you with the spine to pick an opposing view of your own volition. As your only stance is to cower behind somebody else's cowardly approach to the company, you're not even worth that kind of differentiation.
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Aye yi yi.

Ok, well, if I were a person full of passion at a carrier facing challenges such as Eagle, and also considering my fellow first officers have been moving on from the morass that is eagle, I think I'd be spending more time networking and trying to improve on my situation rather than, well, acting as aggressively as you have in this thread.

If Eagle is indeed a sinking ship, no point in anchoring yourself to that ship by negative networking.

I know if I had thrown your name into the HR office and then in six months you were online talking like this, there'd be a heated one-way telephone call.

If it's that bad and it's being run so poorly by both your union and the company, I'd suggest getting goose.
 
Two sides to every story. That said, I'm not sure getting down on blizzue is useful. He already done quit, and I'm not seeing the "smearing" in anything he's said. In point of fact, he's been pretty good about not getting his back up, from what I can tell. Same team, dude!
 
Grew a moustache and a mullet, Got a job at chick-fil-a
Citing artistic differences, The band broke up in may
And in june reformed without me, And they'd got a different name
I nuked another grandma's apple pie.......
And hung my head in shame

Been thinking a lot today.


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dvtpilot said:
Grew a moustache and a mullet, Got a job at chick-fil-a
Citing artistic differences, The band broke up in may
And in june reformed without me, And they'd got a different name
I nuked another grandma's apple pie.......
And hung my head in shame

Been thinking a lot today.


/endthread
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I can dig it homes
 
Wow. I think all this infighting is exactly what management wants. Pilots will always be be their own worst enemy. They have done just as much damage to the profession fighting with other pilots as management has. Whether 91/135 undercutting each other or pilots that belong to the same MEC arguing with each other instead of focusing their energy on management. A Fellow pilot should be the last person we should be worried about.
 
Derg said:
"Oh noooo, the pilots are angry and fighting amongst themselves" — said no one in airline management… EVER.
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In some ways they probably enjoy it, if anything. Makes a great distraction to take the focus of what they are doing to the pilots. It also shows them there is no real unity. Victims are viewed as weak, desperate and vulnerable.

Less bickering and more gap bridging. From there can come sound convictions and unity. From unity comes an encompassing stand.
 
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PositionAndHold said:
Wow. I think all this infighting is exactly what management wants. Pilots will always be be their own worst enemy. They have done just as much damage to the profession fighting with other pilots as management has. Whether 91/135 undercutting each other or pilots that belong to the same MEC arguing with each other instead of focusing their energy on management. A Fellow pilot should be the last person we should be worried about.
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It's all the type-A personalities..

@HVYMETALDRVR, where you at? There's so much infighting in this thread alone, and you think, no hope that your pilot groups gonna look out for Eagle?

Ha! Guess I do know human nature better than you. Doesn't bode well!
 
A Life Aloft said:
In some ways they probably enjoy it, if anything. Makes a great distraction to take the focus of what they are doing to the pilots. It also shows them there is no real unity. Victims are viewed as weak, desperate and vulnerable.

Less bickering and more gap bridging. From there can come sound convictions and unity. From unity comes an encompassing stand.
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If they're paying attention, they're loving it.

But they probably don't care as we're simple costs. We need to get unit revenue up by x% and bring operations costs down by y%. They're going full court press to leech out y+% out of the pilot group and how they wrestle it from you, well, it doesn't matter as long as they get it or how we feel about it.

For every upper manager with "nothing to lose" there's a whole lot of middle and lower level office pukes than want an agreement so they're not on the unemployment lines too.
 
Derg said:
Aye yi yi.

Ok, well, if I were a person full of passion at a carrier facing challenges such as Eagle, and also considering my fellow first officers have been moving on from the morass that is eagle, I think I'd be spending more time networking and trying to improve on my situation rather than, well, acting as aggressively as you have in this thread.

If Eagle is indeed a sinking ship, no point in anchoring yourself to that ship by negative networking.

I know if I had thrown your name into the HR office and then in six months you were online talking like this, there'd be a heated one-way telephone call.

If it's that bad and it's being run so poorly by both your union and the company, I'd suggest getting goose.
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Welp, we've all heard how I'm not going anywhere for a variety of reasons anyways, so screw it. But here's a better illustration of the point: The regional sector is the battleground of the industry. It doesn't matter whether you think you're moving out or on or whatever- if we don't throw down the gauntlet here and now the whole profession is gonna get hosed.
... and if one row on an Internet forum is enough to overturn everything that backs putting in a word in an HR office for somebody- that's a bit much, isn't it? This whole networking thing has gone WAY too far.
... is that what this is? Walking around, pretending to never get angry, to never get upset, to never feel anything, with a perma-plastic smile painted on, because gawd-dangit, somebody might be watching? I refuse to live like that. If success in life depends solely on phony glad-handing your way into the right circles, I'm never going there- and I'll be happy to be excluded.

They say that in the end, it's not win or lose, but how you play the game- an authentic life probably weighs pretty heavy in the end.

... but hey- that's not the solution to anything! Rather than actually DEAL with the problems in the industry, let's all just bail for greener pastures. It's too big for us- let's go home, Pippin...
... but there won't be a Shire, will there?
 
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Boris Badenov said:
Two sides to every story. That said, I'm not sure getting down on blizzue is useful. He already done quit, and I'm not seeing the "smearing" in anything he's said. In point of fact, he's been pretty good about not getting his back up, from what I can tell. Same team, dude!
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Given his apparent part in railroading me at the union office, and the pilots at large in the airline, 'same team' seems a dubious statement.
 
I'm not open to the lecture and I never said you weren't going anywhere.

However, you have a unique opportunity and it can go either way. Clearly your employer is becoming one which isn't compatible with your goals so use the opportunity to change that.
 
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