American Eagle told to play ball or become Comair-II

Derg said:
I'm not open to the lecture and I never said you weren't going anywhere.

However, you have a unique opportunity and it can go either way. Clearly your employer is becoming one which isn't compatible with your goals so use the opportunity to change that.
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We both know my feelings on that.

First, my mother is very sick. Her white count is too low to even start her second dose of chemo, which a successful round of which is the validation for surgery she likely needs to live. I ran off in search of opportunity and my Dad died with me faraway as a result- I am NOT repeating that mistake.

Second, and more pointedly, I made a choice when I stood up four years ago and- not as a union officer but a loudmouth willing to go on record- starting burning people in the industry to the ground. I accepted then and in perpetuity that the guy out front waving the flag usually got shot back in the day.

If you google my name and 'airline', the first hit is the WSJ article. What airline is going to hire a subversive? This is as far as I go- and I know it. So I'm not going to roll over and just take it in the ass. Not again.

... and I might apply elsewhere, someday- but I seriously doubt I'm going anywhere.

This is it for me. Past history and present circumstance stay my hand- so I'll be damned if I go out without a fight.

Airline labor issues used to be solved with automatic weapons. Quite literally. Pilots love to beat their chests about where we've come from, but if strongly worded posts on an Internet forum disturb folks that much, they are anything but.
 
Derg said:
Welp, can't say I didn't try!

Anyone else other that Firebird looking for guidance that's out there? :)
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Yeah- go ahead and make light. But what you fail to realize is this- the battle won by pilots in decades gone by were won by pilots with the nerve to stand up to corporate bullies. The reason so many get trod on today is because they lack the spine of the forebears.

But hey- no worries. Drinks all around. We'll surely all get whatever we want 'just because'.

Cheers.
 
Derg said:
Boxer-briefs. Hella comfortable and if you go with the microfiber, especially Calvin Klein, they sit so well.

And you can do the wiggle-wiggle-wiggle-wiggle-DANCE for spouse.
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I wear Banana Republic Boxer Briefs.
 
Firebird2XC said:
We both know my feelings on that.

First, my mother is very sick. Her white count is too low to even start her second dose of chemo, which a successful round of which is the validation for surgery she likely needs to live. I ran off in search of opportunity and my Dad died with me faraway as a result- I am NOT repeating that mistake.

Second, and more pointedly, I made a choice when I stood up four years ago and- not as a union officer but a loudmouth willing to go on record- starting burning people in the industry to the ground. I accepted then and in perpetuity that the guy out front waving the flag usually got shot back in the day.

If you google my name and 'airline', the first hit is the WSJ article. What airline is going to hire a subversive? This is as far as I go- and I know it. So I'm not going to roll over and just take it in the ass. Not again.

... and I might apply elsewhere, someday- but I seriously doubt I'm going anywhere.

This is it for me. Past history and present circumstance stay my hand- so I'll be damned if I go out without a fight.

Airline labor issues used to be solved with automatic weapons. Quite literally. Pilots love to beat their chests about where we've come from, but if strongly worded posts on an Internet forum disturb folks that much, they are anything but.
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Such the martyr. Like it or not, every one on your seniority list is on your team. You need them and they need you in this fight. So past history needs to be set aside for the greater good if you want to affect change. Or you can keep "calling people out" and those same people and their friends will ratify a crap sandwich just to spite you. But hey, you're not "going down with out a fight".
 
Firebird2XC said:
Yeah- go ahead and make light. But what you fail to realize is this- the battle won by pilots in decades gone by were won by pilots with the nerve to stand up to corporate bullies. The reason so many get trod on today is because they lack the spine of the forebears.

But hey- no worries. Drinks all around. We'll surely all get whatever we want 'just because'.

Cheers.
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This isn't my first pony show and I was ready and able to help you with insight gleaned by what I saw and learned during our trip through the open sewer, but you took the opportunity to write me platitudes and tell me how about the road I, and a lot of others, have already traveled — and made it out to the other side.

Best of luck.
 
Seggy said:
I wear Banana Republic Boxer Briefs.
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Firebird2XC said:
I made a choice when I stood up four years ago and- not as a union officer but a loudmouth willing to go on record- starting burning people in the industry to the ground. I accepted then and in perpetuity that the guy out front waving the flag usually got shot back in the day.

If you google my name and 'airline', the first hit is the WSJ article. What airline is going to hire a subversive? This is as far as I go- and I know it. So I'm not going to roll over and just take it in the ass. Not again.
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The WSJ article doesn't seem to me to highlight anything "subversive" on your part or "burning people to the ground"--it really just mentions how much time you had when you got hired. I'd be much more concerned about the CA who named his employer in the article.

BTW, the second link that comes up in that google search is a JC thread that makes it clear who you are on here...so your post history is just as available to employers as your mention in the WSJ article.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Welp, we've all heard how I'm not going anywhere for a variety of reasons anyways, so screw it.
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I get it. For what it's worth (and that's not much) I do largely understand how you feel.

There's a difference in mindset here that's not being perceived by people at large, I think. There's a whole spectrum of folks on the line here; at one end are people keyed up for battle, and at the other end are those who just want to keep their jobs, because they're unwilling to "Shut 'er down!" as they feel that compromise is the only way forward. 'Seniority' and 'starting over' is an ugly weapon. Now guerrilla warfare often seems extremist to the more moderate populace, and to the guerrilla the moderate populace seems over-sympathetic to the point of collusion. This is a common-enough emergent theme that it's often presented in "contemporary" fiction ... for a reason.

If I were in Firebird's position, I would probably feel exactly the same way. If I were in Bliz's position, I would probably feel exactly the same as he. The key to all things is recognizing your own viewpoints and recognizing that others might not be on the same side of the spectrum... but Firebird has drawn a hard line, and all else aside, as a non-involved third-party, I do respect that... and I doubt there's any capacity for moderation. Personally, I don't consider the ability to compromise to always be the measure of a man.

But yeah, I (probably) won't ever be in the 121 biz (most likely, maybe), so it's not so applicable directly to me... I just respect the fight.

I'll wander back off to my den now and get my nose out of business in which it don't belong.
It's snow/sleeting here in Éire—good time for a fox to curl up by a warm fire. ^.^


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.. though I see my reply came after further commentary to which I shall yield.

In that case, let me just suggest peace, love and foxes.

And my best wishes to my friends at Eagle and their compatriots.

-Fox
 
Firebird2XC said:
We both know my feelings on that.

First, my mother is very sick. Her white count is too low to even start her second dose of chemo, which a successful round of which is the validation for surgery she likely needs to live. I ran off in search of opportunity and my Dad died with me faraway as a result- I am NOT repeating that mistake.

Second, and more pointedly, I made a choice when I stood up four years ago and- not as a union officer but a loudmouth willing to go on record- starting burning people in the industry to the ground. I accepted then and in perpetuity that the guy out front waving the flag usually got shot back in the day.

If you google my name and 'airline', the first hit is the WSJ article. What airline is going to hire a subversive? This is as far as I go- and I know it. So I'm not going to roll over and just take it in the ass. Not again.

... and I might apply elsewhere, someday- but I seriously doubt I'm going anywhere.

This is it for me. Past history and present circumstance stay my hand- so I'll be damned if I go out without a fight.

Airline labor issues used to be solved with automatic weapons. Quite literally. Pilots love to beat their chests about where we've come from, but if strongly worded posts on an Internet forum disturb folks that much, they are anything but.
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First off, many here will keep your mother in our thoughts and prayers. Secondly, what do you mean this is it for you? Don't you have automatic flow rights to AA?


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