American Eagle told to play ball or become Comair-II

Gonzo said:
And if we owned any flying I would agree with you, but we don't.
I will not be that upset if they kill Eagle, I will not vote yes on any give backs 1) I really don't want to work for AA so a flow is meaningless and 2) 45K isn't hard to replace outside of the go-cart place I worked when I was 18 every job I have had paid more including selling cell phones part time, yup a part time job paid better than being a FO at Eagle at max pay and my insurance was $2.00 a month for a better plan than I have now.
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Good to know I can count on a 'NO' vote from you on any concessionary agreements. Spread the word. Pass the ammunition.
 
Gonzo said:
When you remove yourself from the situation you realize it isn't personal. This is life in the game known as Fee for Departure were cost is everything. Does your insurance agent take it personally it you go with a cheaper insurance company? My guess is he wouldn't.
The older I get, less I take things personally and the less I worry about things I can't control.

Go to work-Fly-Go home-Have Fun
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This.

The thing that helped me survive the drama that is bankruptcy and all the crap that revolves around it was "emotionally divorcing" myself from the company.

It's hard going from "You're the best of the best! You're the one out of ten that interviewed for the job that we hired! WOoo! You're going to be a zillionaire" to "Hand me your wallet, you overpaid, underworked peon."

But it works.

I know people that literally didn't survive the bankruptcy days because they didn't find help when things went dark. It wasn't more than 24 hours and they were scrubbed off the seniority list and they weren't spoken of again.

The shareholders don't care. They want profits and that one little pop in the stock price if you sign your concessionary contract.
 
This guy talks about fighting for what is yours, but is pissing on his colleagues. Management has already won @Firebird2XC. They have divided and conquered. It seems to me that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
 
I am sure the majority of the eagle pilots will bend over and take it. They are lucky to have a strong mec for once. Glad I left that place years ago.



FYI the flow sucks. It would of taken me 20 years to get to AA
 
Giggity said:
I am sure the majority of the eagle pilots will bend over and take it. They are lucky to have a strong mec for once. Glad I left that place years ago.



FYI the flow sucks. It would of taken me 20 years to get to AA
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Time used to be, back in the 90s at least, that if you worked at Eagle, you'd never have a chance of ever working at AA.
 
mojo6911 said:
This guy talks about fighting for what is yours, but is pissing on his colleagues. Management has already won @Firebird2XC. They have divided and conquered. It seems to me that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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There's a difference between corralling the quislings and collaborators and what you're suggesting.

I'm not giving an inch. Not one more damned inch. The rest can stand with me or be lumped in with management and its cronies.
 
Gonzo said:
The older I get, less I take things personally and the less I worry about things I can't control.
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While I agree in principle, does facing a significant pay cut from an already low-paying job not worry you? While everybody talks about being top heavy, the reality is that f/o's are going to get blasted on this. Captains getting capped at year 12 pay might be the difference to wait one more year to buy the wife a new car or Maybe telling their high schooler to fill out more scholarship applications. An f/o capped at year 4 pay with no iai, no upgrade sight, and barely anything in his 401k has more lose financially. And perhaps that's why it seems that we actually stand to lose LESS if a comair scenario were to unfold. As is pointed out in very thread, an f/o can replace his salary by working at home depot or the cell phone store. .

If I was running place, mind you, I'd do the same thing management is currently doing. I've run some businesses-I get it. The bottom line is the bottom line. Consumers don't care if the plane which says "American eagle" on the side isn't actually American eagle. They only care about the ticket being $5 cheaper than the next guy's.

A yes vote here accomplishes little. AAG puts its regional feed in a cost box lower than where currently sits. F/o's voting yes are ensuring their own financial pain for years to come. Anybody voting yes also agrees to accept what I see as a dangerous
Precedent. What's to stop them from coming back in another 12 months and saying "sorry, eagle. You're still too expensive. We're giving the jets to rah?" AMR and AAG have already proven to have no problem lying straight to our collective face. Or, heaven forbid 9/11 reoccurs or fuel goes to $150 and your savings account is nil? Accepting a pay cut and hoping you'll be gone before you max out is a risky bet. Are willing to risk your kid's college fund on it?

I should add that I fully believe management's threat to shut us down.
Shut the place down - my first stop will be Orange. Would I rather fly? Of course. But there comes a point when you have to weigh the damage you're doing to your brain, body, and family against the meager income you bring in and decide it's worth it.
 
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While I agree in principle, does facing a significant pay cut from an already low-paying job not worry you? While everybody talks about being top heavy, the reality is that f/o's are going to get blasted on this. Captains getting capped at year 12 pay might be the difference to wait one more year to buy the wife a new car or Maybe telling their high schooler to fill out more scholarship applications. An f/o capped at year 4 pay with no iai, no upgrade sight, and barely anything in his 401k has more lose financially. And perhaps that's why it seems that we actually stand to lose LESS if a comair scenario were to unfold. As is pointed out in very thread, an f/o can replace his salary by working at home depot or the cell phone store. .

If I was running place, mind you, I'd do the same thing management is currently doing. I've run some businesses-I get it. The bottom line is the bottom line. Consumers don't care if the plane which says "American eagle" on the side isn't actually American eagle. They only care about the ticket being $5 cheaper than the next guy's.

A yes vote here accomplishes little. AAG puts its regional feed in a cost box lower than where currently sits. F/o's voting yes are ensuring their own financial pain for years to come. Anybody voting yes also agrees to accept what I see as a dangerous
Precedent. What's to stop them from coming back in another 12 months and saying "sorry, eagle. You're still too expensive. We're giving the jets to rah?" AMR and AAG have already proven to have no problem lying straight to our collective face. Or, heaven forbid 9/11 reoccurs or fuel goes to $150 and your savings account is nil? Accepting a pay cut and hoping you'll be gone before you max out is a risky bet. Are willing to risk your kid's college fund on it?

I should add that I fully believe management's threat to shut us down.
Shut the place down - my first stop will be Orange. Would I rather fly? Of course. But there comes a point when you have to weigh the damage you're doing to your brain, body, and family against the meager income you bring in and decide it's worth it.
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Did you mean to quote me? Because I am the guy that posted this

Gonzo said:
And if we owned any flying I would agree with you, but we don't.
I will not be that upset if they kill Eagle, I will not vote yes on any give backs 1) I really don't want to work for AA so a flow is meaningless and 2) 45K isn't hard to replace outside of the go-cart place I worked when I was 18 every job I have had paid more including selling cell phones part time, yup a part time job paid better than being a FO at Eagle at max pay and my insurance was $2.00 a month for a better plan than I have now.
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Derg said:
This.

The thing that helped me survive the drama that is bankruptcy and all the crap that revolves around it was "emotionally divorcing" myself from the company.

It's hard going from "You're the best of the best! You're the one out of ten that interviewed for the job that we hired! WOoo! You're going to be a zillionaire" to "Hand me your wallet, you overpaid, underworked peon."

But it works.

I know people that literally didn't survive the bankruptcy days because they didn't find help when things went dark. It wasn't more than 24 hours and they were scrubbed off the seniority list and they weren't spoken of again.

The shareholders don't care. They want profits and that one little pop in the stock price if you sign your concessionary contract.
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That's how I deal with 6+ years in the right seat of an RJ without much to show for it. But damn it's hard sometimes. I don't have a hard time being zen like chillaxed at work. But when this job/company starts to affect my home life it is a little more difficult.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That's how I deal with 6+ years in the right seat of an RJ without much to show for it. But damn it's hard sometimes. I don't have a hard time being zen like chillaxed at work. But when this job/company starts to affect my home life it is a little more difficult.
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That's a good point. I have a hard time approaching this calmly at all- and I think that's a big part of the problem. The approach a lot of people are endorsing in a time like this seems a lot like the symptoms of hypoxia.
Complacency is bad, kids. Not getting alarmed when you're duly threatened by something stressful is the sign of a conditioned response and desensitized mental state.

This sort of thing would be the end for many- whether they shut us down or continue to whittle us down to such low pay that surviving and still flying is unsustainable. Can anybody here really endorse the idea of flying 70 seat aircraft for less than $40 an hour?
This could be the end either way and the only outcome might be darkness, no matter what we do.
.. but I will 'Rage, rage, against the dying of the light.'
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That's how I deal with 6+ years in the right seat of an RJ without much to show for it. But damn it's hard sometimes. I don't have a hard time being zen like chillaxed at work. But when this job/company starts to affect my home life it is a little more difficult.
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Be zen-like.

Hey, I'll email you something that will re-enforce the idea that you've really got to find (and MAINTAIN) your peace. Hold on.
 
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