Alaska Hawaiian Merger Serious Version

[JordanD]

The -9 is a bit better. I assume the FBW spoilers help a little with the roll feel. You also still have the weird “pause” in rotation. Your comments on the displays are right on, but I also feel compelled to complain about how the “HSI” on the PFD is still tiny and dumb when you have all that screen real estate.

Not sure if yours are the same but when I flew a Max all of the engine gauges being a few inches further to the left was kind of a mind fark for a little bit.

 

[Rocketman99]

Not sure if yours are the same but when I flew a Max all of the engine gauges being a few inches further to the left was kind of a mind fark for a little bit.

Way further left. And for whatever silly reason we generally always keep them on the CA side instead of on the side of the PF who might actually need to look at the damn things. Probably because that was how it was on the Wright Flyer.

 

[Roger Roger]

Not sure if yours are the same but when I flew a Max all of the engine gauges being a few inches further to the left was kind of a mind fark for a little bit.

I feel like maybe there’s a short adjustment period the first minute or so of hand flying after I’ve been in NGs for a while but for the most part not noticeable.

 

[Rocketman99]

The -9 is a bit better. I assume the FBW spoilers help a little with the roll feel. You also still have the weird “pause” in rotation. Your comments on the displays are right on, but I also feel compelled to complain about how the “HSI” on the PFD is still tiny and dumb when you have all that screen real estate.

I don't really notice the pause, but the lack of gear strut clunk when you rotate is a bit off-putting at first. "Are we in the air?"

Yep, like I said, we have a worthless two foot VSD but instruments I actually need to fly are all smaller. In reality the VSD is ever so slightly marginally more useful the the RAAS. In other words, also pointless.

 

[Roger Roger]

I don't really notice the pause, but the lack of gear strut clunk when you rotate is a bit off-putting at first. "Are we in the air?"

Yep, like I said, we have a worthless two foot VSD but instruments I actually need to fly are all smaller. In reality the VSD is ever so slightly marginally more useful the the RAAS. In other words, also pointless.

I feel like I noticed the rotation pause a lot in the beginning but I don’t so much now. Probably just have gotten the feel of it better.

I actually like the VSD but I’m also not very good at this so pictures help me

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

The 9 can't climb out of its own shadow. Why do you think we rarely use it much in OGG? Cause it can't get off the ground with anywhere close to a full load. In HNL, it can never take off on 8L unless we're half empty. Even in the dead of winter once you get to 20K, you're stuck climbing out at 600 fpm all the way to altitude no matter what speed you're flying. And hopefully you don't need to climb to try and get above weather because you won't be able to. They wasted money certifying it up to 410, 'cause it can't ever climb that high.

Now actually feeling/handling wise, the 9 flies fairly nicely. It's just that performance in on par with a Geo Metro. It's a worthless pig. Also love that we have a 2 foot long VSD and a massive compass rose that no one has ever looked at on those giant tv screens, but our actual PFD is smaller than in the NGs. Such a fail on so many levels. However, it sips on gas so the clowns who only ever sit at desks and look at spreadsheets love it because they never have to deal with all the operational shortcomings out on the line when they're in the crystal palace of yes men.

Honestly it seems most airlines use the MAX8 to Hawaii. All of my LIH and OGG flights so far have been in an -800NG. I’ve been to HNL several times in a MAX without issue, though it’s been a while and I’ve only done one Hawaii this year.


The MAX doesn’t like fast speed climb outs. I see guys changing the speed to 290-300 knots or more on the climb page. That’s when you get the bad climb rate/performance. I accept what’s the default CI climb speed schedule. Get to cruise level first. Then speed whatever you need/want/planned.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

And I’ve only flown the MAX8 once. 5 MELs, including the HUD and associated CAT III downgrade.

 

[Rocketman99]

Honestly it seems most airlines use the MAX8 to Hawaii. All of my LIH and OGG flights so far have been in an -800NG. I’ve been to HNL several times in a MAX without issue, though it’s been a while and I’ve only done one Hawaii this year.


The MAX doesn’t like fast speed climb outs. I see guys changing the speed to 290-300 knots or more on the climb page. That’s when you get the bad climb rate/performance. I accept what’s the default CI climb speed schedule. Get to cruise level first. Then speed whatever you need/want/planned.

Exactly, the 9 has no performance. The MAX8s don't seem to suffer that same problem.

I don't find that to be the case. Slower speed climbs increase the rate...to about 700 fpm above 20K instead of 600. "Max rate" is a misnomer in the 9.

 

[roundout]

Fuse plugs have left the chat

Better than door plugs

 

[derg]

Way further left. And for whatever silly reason we generally always keep them on the CA side instead of on the side of the PF who might actually need to look at the damn things. Probably because that was how it was on the Wright Flyer.

Ed’s spittin’ FIRE today!

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Way further left. And for whatever silly reason we generally always keep them on the CA side instead of on the side of the PF who might actually need to look at the damn things. Probably because that was how it was on the Wright Flyer.

IMO as a CA, when SHTF, I’d rather the engine instruments be in one consistent place all the time.

I have yet to have a FO demand the gauges on his side. Why you looking at engine gauges on landing? As a FO my eyes were on the runway / touchdown area and LOC/GS + airspeed indicator with its trend. That’s all you need to know if you need to add or take away power.