"Airline Internship" at ATP?

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If anyone had access to the master scab list, it's somewhat interesting to cross check the name of the CAL capt in the video.
 
wrxpilot said:
If anyone had access to the master scab list, it's somewhat interesting to cross check the name of the CAL capt in the video.
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It's not just him, either. 3 of the 4 guys in the "major airline captain testimonials" are on there as well.
 
ChasenSFO said:
And I thought Ameriflight's program was bad. There are a lot better ways to put all your self-respect on the shelf and become the laughing stock among your peers that don't cost $25,000. Besides, everyone knows only the two-stripers at Gulfstream ever get any chicks.
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lol, sorry for goin off topic, but Chasen, that's the best avatar i've seen yet! haven't laughed that hard in a while!
 
"Where ya flying to today? Key west actually. Key west, well I wish you well and I'll see ya on the line!" That inspired me! I feel pumped up just watching that! cue the topgun theme song! :rawk:
 
nocturnalaviator said:
"Where ya flying to today? Key west actually. Key west, well I wish you well and I'll see ya on the line!" That inspired me! I feel pumped up just watching that! cue the topgun theme song! :rawk:
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That was so disgustingly cheesy. lol

I was visiting a flight school a couple days ago and talking to one of the instructors and he brought up the Gulfstream program... I told him to never mention it to me again. He actually seemed happy to hear me say that to him. I can't believe people actually pay to work somewhere. That is completely absurd.
 
Listening to the pro arguments of Gulfstream, I think I am going to open up my own flight school. Since most people say they didn't know anything until they became instructors, at my flight school, you pay me 5$ for every flight hour you get flight instructing. You can view it as training, as you will learn more than you ever knew. So if you want a lot of flight time for only 5$ an hour, give me a ring, at 1800 eatdirt
 
BillH said:
Listening to the pro arguments of Gulfstream, I think I am going to open up my own flight school. Since most people say they didn't know anything until they became instructors, at my flight school, you pay me 5$ for every flight hour you get flight instructing. You can view it as training, as you will learn more than you ever knew. So if you want a lot of flight time for only 5$ an hour, give me a ring, at 1800 eatdirt
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woot /enrolled!

It's not "paying to be a CFI". It's "paying for experience"!

My only complaint is that you are charging so little. The more I pay the more valuable the experience. I'd like to pay at least $50/hour.
 
Just so you guys know, I've written for clarification about the new program because it totally caught me off guard.

I'll let you know what I hear.
 
That's mighty ballsy of you Mr. Taylor.

But, I'm glad you did. Especially considering that a portion of this website is dedicated to spreading the negative qualities of PFJ/PFT institutions yet a Flight Training sponser has just recently dove head first into a love affair with one of the most well known PFJ/PFT companies.

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The whole problem with this thing is that the aviators that participate in these PFJ programs are rewarded for their decision. Now I agree that some just do the 250 and are kicked to the street, 75k in debt. But there are some too that have made it to the regionals and majors. If the industry continues to condone those who do this, it will never end.

Some of the problem is that many pilots don't even know a things about Gulfstream. I talked to a couple of major captains that didn't even realized it existed. On one such occasion, the Captain was also a DPE. I was kind of standing around while he was looking at the guys logbook. He asked about the B1900 time, and he said he had attended Gulfstream. The DPE asked about it, and he gave the "canned" reply. The DPE really didn't even say anything about it.

The Gulfstream guy is currently an FO for Pinnacle. I am not sure why he was doing his ATP with us, but I guess it looked good for the resume. I applied to a couple of places in the past, and even with around 1500 hours (400 Multi), most of them sent back the response saying "not enough experience." If you look at their websites, it usually says "turbine" time preferred, even though the total time they are looking for is around 500-700, 50 turbine etc...

So it is sad to say, but if someone goes through this program and lands a job having 250 turbine SIC, it continues to fuel the demon so to speak.

Sorry for the rant, it is late.

Just felt I should chime in.
 
All that money....79K. That's crazy.

I will say that I've heard that some guys are going there with their CPL w/ME rating and doing the FO program. Costs something like 29K and at one time, GIA was refunding 5K at the end of training. It looks like they were refunding to much and now it's only 2K...(250 x $8/hr).

The argument I've heard is that you get the tprop time whether you're hired or not. Although it's perceived as a ****ed up way to get it.....250 hrs of tprop time is 250hrs of tprop time.....no matter how you slice it. Does it give someone an edge or preference in terms of hiring? Probably. It's hard to say. I guess it just depends on who is on the hiring board of the company where you are interviewing.

Personally, I can't fault anyone for the road in which they chose to achieve their goal. It's not for me to judge and it's not the road I'm taking although at one time I considered it. Sure we all have standards when it comes to gaining more experience, written and unwritten, but what I do is to be the best pilot I can be and will try to position myself to be in the right place at the right time. I believe it's more than flying. Attitude, personality, and first impressions are huge in choosing potential employees. I gotta ask myself, "Do I fit the company and does the company fit me?

If there is a flying position out there meant for me.....I'll get it.


JMO.



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