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milleR said:
It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.
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Ah, so people can't get RELEASED because saturation, so they takeoff and cause even MORE saturation.

Got it.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
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Why does Washington center always give us routing that is nearly identical to what we are doing- but about 1/8th of a mile east (when North/South) and if they are always giving that to us, why not make it the preferred route so that we can file it? I mean we file what they will give us and we get the “full route” back to the preferred, only to have Washington put us back on the slightly marginally different route- which we won’t actually fly at all because they clear us direct to the first fix on the arrival a minute later anyways.

And when are they getting the ability to send route clearances turned back on?

Follow on, If I’m doing .90 and an embraer is doing .78… why can’t we pass them? I promise we will get there first.
 
milleR said:
It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.
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9.5k and point at a class b airport. You’ll
Get hooked right up with routing that gets you out of the way.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Why does Washington center always give us routing that is nearly identical to what we are doing- but about 1/8th of a mile east (when North/South) and if they are always giving that to us, why not make it the preferred route so that we can file it? I mean we file what they will give us and we get the “full route” back to the preferred, only to have Washington put us back on the slightly marginally different route- which we won’t actually fly at all because they clear us direct to the first fix on the arrival a minute later anyways.

And when are they getting the ability to send route clearances turned back on?

Follow on, If I’m doing .90 and an embraer is doing .78… why can’t we pass them? I promise we will get there first.
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Nobody ever knows why centers do center things
 
For every time N90 has been short with me, they've also been incredibly patient fitting me into JFK/EWR/LGA VFR on a busy Friday, in an airplane that does 170 only downhill and with a tailwind.

Occasionally I'll get something weird, like "tune in the LOC so you can follow that in" -- ooohkay, but I'm VFR.

Occasionally I'll get the Five-Borough and Eastern New Jersey Aerial Tour instead of straight in 22 - I get it - you're slammed and I'm slow.

But generally, as long as you seem to know what you're doing, level off at DANDY and WENTZ, and don't try to get flight following or pop up IFR clearances you'll be ok. Maguire, Allentown, Bradley and Providence Approaches are all totally happy to accommodate. They're not that busy.

Fixtur
 
Also, I will admit fully to not knowing that you could pick up a clearance but not activate it until later. I always thought once you picked it up it was activated.
 
Fixtur said:
Also, I will admit fully to not knowing that you could pick up a clearance but not activate it until later. I always thought once you picked it up it was activated.
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Needs to be done with coordination while you’re still on the ground. Technically it should be something like “ok here’s the route to expect” and then when you’re airborne you actually get cleared, but in real life it’s generally here’s your clearance, just depart vfr and when you’re airborne we’ll tell you when you’re IFR.
 
I’ll admit to only going into NYC on what seems to be a busy day or a “weather” day (several hundred miles away…their airspace should maybe be a bit more flexible like the rest of the country). But here’s the difference between the rest of the country and NYC: “unable.” And then most other controllers unkey and complain about silly pilots, just like pilots definitely don’t do about silly controllers. In NYC they leave it keyed.
 
milleR said:
It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.
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...and it is generally busy if there is a long hold for release time. It's probably best just to wait it out rather than blasting off VFR at that point anyways even if the plan is to fly along the proper departure route at a VFR altitude until being able to pick up the clearance.

The same goes for flying in South Florida.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Needs to be done with coordination while you’re still on the ground. Technically it should be something like “ok here’s the route to expect” and then when you’re airborne you actually get cleared, but in real life it’s generally here’s your clearance, just depart vfr and when you’re airborne we’ll tell you when you’re IFR.
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We just launch IFR and stay in class G until somebody plays nice… then we go!
 
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