Air Wagner

Murdoughnut said:
Right coast Jerry. At least left coast Jerry was still on the ground.

Also, do you have to be a dooshcanoe to fly a cabin class twin Cessna?


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I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
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It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
 
KLB said:
It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
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Like it’s fine if you’re in parts of the US where you can generally expect direct or a fairly simple routing to a STAR. It is an entirely different story when trying to leave the most congested airspace in the world.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Like it’s fine if you’re in parts of the US where you can generally expect direct or a fairly simple routing to a STAR. It is an entirely different story when trying to leave the most congested airspace in the world.
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There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
 
KLB said:
There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
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We made it a rule to only pickup clearance on the ground. Way too many chances to screw up while trying to maintain VFR and going 300 knots.
 
KLB said:
There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
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I’ve had them do that with really low ceilings and I’m too busy to give them their clearance. Enjoy scud running in your Challenger I guess.
 
KLB said:
There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
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The video of the guy trying to do that out of BFI going to Greece in the Global is both hilarious and infuriating.
 
KLB said:
It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
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Cumbersome? It’s in the AFD and easy to find in EFBs. Don’t have the same ease in your system? The direct phone call avoids the three-party triologue among you, FSS, and ATC. I thought the old way was much more cumbersome.
 
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