Air Wagner

milleR said:
It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.
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Ah, so people can't get RELEASED because saturation, so they takeoff and cause even MORE saturation.

Got it.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
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Why does Washington center always give us routing that is nearly identical to what we are doing- but about 1/8th of a mile east (when North/South) and if they are always giving that to us, why not make it the preferred route so that we can file it? I mean we file what they will give us and we get the “full route” back to the preferred, only to have Washington put us back on the slightly marginally different route- which we won’t actually fly at all because they clear us direct to the first fix on the arrival a minute later anyways.

And when are they getting the ability to send route clearances turned back on?

Follow on, If I’m doing .90 and an embraer is doing .78… why can’t we pass them? I promise we will get there first.
 
milleR said:
It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.
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9.5k and point at a class b airport. You’ll
Get hooked right up with routing that gets you out of the way.
 
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